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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Who is John Harrison?
A new character named John Harrison 26 23.64%
A new character with the psuedonym John Harrison 16 14.55%
Khan 19 17.27%
Gary Mitchell 19 17.27%
Harry Mudd 3 2.73%
Nero 0 0%
Trelane 1 0.91%
Other (Please Explain) 26 23.64%
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Old January 28 2013, 04:15 AM   #211
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Re: Who is John Harrison (Possible SPOILERS or Insane Babbling)

John Harrison is obviously a villain who will give a long speech that last most of the movie and then die a month later of pneumonia.

Damn Space Whigs.
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Old January 30 2013, 09:59 PM   #212
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I think 'John Harrison' may be either a pseudonym of "John Arrik Soong", son or grandson of Arrik Soong, or that he may be an alternate-universe-accelerated Soong-type android, sort of a re-imagined Lore.

We know that Noonian Soong was able to create androids which both had emotions and appeared perfectly human ('Inheritance') and while that's a lot of canon to be throwing at the mass audience the film is courting, that same mass audience will likely just happily accept a human-appearing android without needing to be given a justification for it.

Arrik Soong's knowledge of genetic engineering/gene therapy would account for Harrison's claim to be able to help the little girl. His being an android would plausibly account for his apparently superhuman abilities and nerve-pinch immunity.

Soong's treatment at the hands of Starfleet could also be the underlying vengeance motive.

The biggest weakness of this theory is his status as a Starfleet officer. Granted, there's Data, but I always got the impression that Data was somewhat famous within Starfleet just for being an android officer, so assuming that would hold true in this case, it would be pretty tough to clandestinely plan a bunch of terror attacks.

So perhaps Harrison is an augment, but of the Soong variety rather than a Khan descendant or analogue (or Khan himself).
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Old January 30 2013, 10:14 PM   #213
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An android would explain his abilities - but he's seen bleeding in the rooftop fight with Spock (although I guess Terminators bleed too...) and I can't see him being PO'ed at his treatment by SF being reason enough to cause the kind of destruction he does.

Into Darkness definitely has one android (or possibly cyborg?) in the form of Joseph Gatt's character GATT2000. Of all the characters in the movie, he's the one I'm most curious to see.
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Old January 30 2013, 10:25 PM   #214
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I hadn't thought about the bleeding. That probably puts the kibosh on the Soong-type android theory. Leaving us (well, me) with Soong-augment or Augmented Soong descendant.
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Old January 31 2013, 05:00 PM   #215
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King Daniel wrote: View Post
Into Darkness definitely has one android (or possibly cyborg?) in the form of Joseph Gatt's character GATT2000. Of all the characters in the movie, he's the one I'm most curious to see.
I'm pretty sure he's seen in the room with all the pods (cryo-chambers?) in the trailer. The person seen there is bald and really buff, and not many other known cast fit into that build.

His character description is really vague. Maybe if they're augments, they might not just be biologically enhanced, but maybe technologically as well. Sort of transhuman almost.
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Old February 4 2013, 04:14 PM   #216
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This has probably been brought up before, but I couldn't find it. What about the scene in the trailer when two hands are being held together separated by glass just like the scene in ST2 when Spock dies and Kirk holds his hand up to Spock's separated by glass? So maybe John Harrison is Kahn or just coincidence? However I'm tired of remakes of everything, so hopefully it is a new character.
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Old February 4 2013, 07:24 PM   #217
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I'm guessing based on all those chambers we saw in another video (or picture) that John Harrison is another Botany Bay passenger, possibly the only Botany Bay passenger that they thawed out possibly years earlier, or Harrison is a covert modern day decendent of the genetic 'superman' trying to get to the BB passengers who are still in statis in some sort of corporate research center (this is where Weller's character comes in) after the Reliant found the BB floating in space.
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Old February 4 2013, 07:34 PM   #218
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John Harrison is actually John Logan.

And Boy! Is he pissed...



ETA: Actually, I'm getting the feeling this movie is connected more and more to Season 4 of (gasp!) Enterprise.
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Old February 4 2013, 09:27 PM   #219
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Until I hear otherwise, I'm going to go with John Harrison is John Harrison.
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Old May 28 2013, 08:08 PM   #220
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After reading 13 pages of this thread, I'm not too surprised to see that no one watched Season 4 of Enterprise. It was cancelled after all...but it is still canon, and it is pre-Nero timeline changes.

Peter Weller is playing John Fredrick Paxton, a disciple of Colonel Green and former leader of Terra Prime. Go ahead, check Memory Alpha. John Harrison...who was an actual TOS crew member as someone else already pointed out...is somehow related to Paxton. I'm not sure how.

JJ Abrams is too good to rehash TWOK or WNMHGB. He is too good to not know that Weller has already played a Trek villain, tied to another unexplored Trek villain. Frankly, Paxton got 2 canon episodes (Demons and Terra Prime) versus Khan's 1 (Space Seed) so there is more material to work with. JJ is also too good to notice that these were the last 2 ST:ENT episodes before that disgusting debacle in the Holodeck which ended what had become a promising show so horribly wrong.

JJ is also very good at providing allusions to every other famous villain for us to salivate about. Releasing scenes like the WNMHGB-esque brig shot or the TWOK "the needs of the many" are just Abrams' own way of running a Corbomite Maneuver on us.

IMHO, of course.

EDIT: BTW, I love the Garth of Izar theory. After all, with the Nero timeline changes the Enterprise wouldn't be near Elba II to stop the jailbreak. Perhaps JJ should follow that one in his third installment.

So, now that I've read spoilers of the new movie (haven't seen it yet) I am both very disappointed in the writers and preparing to eat my ticket on video for Admiral Buzzkill
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Old May 29 2013, 01:02 AM   #221
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I still think the producers were playing a complicated trick on the audience. Harrison is really the hybrid child created by the genetic material of Khan, Garth of Izar, the Borg Queen, Marty McFly's girlfriend Jennifer and Sam Beckett.

They're sly, those writers.
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Old May 29 2013, 01:57 AM   #222
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You forgot Batman.
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Old May 29 2013, 02:10 AM   #223
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Nah.

His genes will be used to create the main villain in the third film.
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Old May 29 2013, 02:11 AM   #224
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I suppose. He does have plenty of time to prepare.
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