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Old May 26 2013, 11:40 AM   #46
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Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker

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^ In what way?

Look, we all know what murder is. If Riker had killed Yuta for no reason, or for something trivial, then that would have been murder. But acting in defense of another person (or yourself) is, by definition, not murder. If I kill somebody who's robbing my house or is actively trying to kill me (or somebody else), then that is never murder.

(If they're running away and I shoot them in the back, then THAT is murder, but that's not what Riker was doing.)
I wasn't referring to you specifically, just saying that in response to your comment being one of the people who are defending Riker's decision with only a moment to act. I mentioned earlier at worst this would be manslaughter after all.

A number of other people have been giving their versions of what he should have/could have done in that two second period. Hence the Monday QB comment.

"O'brien... lock on to Yuta and beam her to the.... oh crap, he's dead... well beam her to the brig anyways."
Yes but Riker was able to beam over the ship to stop Yuta, so instead of beaming over they could have beamed Yuta back to the Enterprise then contact Picad et al. to say why.

But it's very easy to say what you could have done after the event.
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Old May 26 2013, 05:26 PM   #47
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they could have beamed Yuta back to the Enterprise
By which time the murder of Chorgan would have already occurred. As it was Riker barely arrived in time, now add the small mount of time it would have taken for the transporter operator to scan for one person in the room (Yuta), lock on, and beam her out.

Chorgan is dead.

When Riker beamed in, Yuta was already walking towards Chorgan with his drink, where are these extra few seconds supposed to have come from?

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Old May 26 2013, 05:44 PM   #48
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Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker

Last I checked, women getting the short end of the stick on TNG is common practice. Just a few episodes later, they're going to bring back Tasha Yar only to give her a fate worse than death.
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Old May 26 2013, 06:20 PM   #49
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Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker

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Riker has absolutely no grounds for interfering with the legal process of a civilisation that is not a member of the UFP.
Of course Riker had grounds. Marouk asked for the Federation's help, thus giving them the right to get involved. Plus, the Gatherers had been raiding Federation outposts, and that also gives the Federation the right to intervene.
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Old May 26 2013, 06:20 PM   #50
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Just a few episodes later, they're going to bring back Tasha Yar only to give her a fate worse than death.
Tasha had to submit to repeated sexual assaults in order to secure the lives of the Enterprise Cee's surviving crew, then subsequently give birth to the rapist's child. Her last thought's were that her own daughter betrayed her.

Armus at least killed her quickly.

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Riker has absolutely no grounds for interfering with the legal process of a civilisation that is not a member of the UFP.
What "legal process?" He stopped a murder.

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Old May 26 2013, 10:11 PM   #51
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Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker

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Riker has absolutely no grounds for interfering with the legal process of a civilisation that is not a member of the UFP.
What "legal process?" He stopped a murder.
I believe Tiberius was illustrating that the ramifications of Yuta's arrest should be considered irrelevant to Riker's decision making process. Full quote:

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From there, it would be a simple matter to beam her back to a confinement cell to turn her over to the Acamarian authorities.
The how long does she sit in prison? Do we even know if the Acamarians have a death penalty? Riker could've just as easily been sentencing her to death by incapacitating her and handing her over to them.
Are you seriously presenting this as an argument to support Riker killing her? Because if he didn't, she might face a long prison sentence? And even if the Acamarians were going to kill her, then it is still in accordance with their legal system. Riker has absolutely no grounds for interfering with the legal process of a civilisation that is not a member of the UFP.
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Old May 27 2013, 04:50 AM   #52
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Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker

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Riker has absolutely no grounds for interfering with the legal process of a civilisation that is not a member of the UFP.
Of course Riker had grounds. Marouk asked for the Federation's help, thus giving them the right to get involved. Plus, the Gatherers had been raiding Federation outposts, and that also gives the Federation the right to intervene.
No it doesn't. The fact that Marouk asked for help to fix one particular problem does not give Riker the right to start interfering in a completely separate problem.

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Riker has absolutely no grounds for interfering with the legal process of a civilisation that is not a member of the UFP.
What "legal process?" He stopped a murder.

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With a summary execution. He could have stopped her any number of other ways. And the legal process he interfered with is making sure that Yuta is dealt with according to Acamarian laws. Unless those laws include executing criminals by a bunch of visiting aliens who happen to stumble into the problem, he interfered.
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Old May 28 2013, 11:51 PM   #53
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Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker

I was more disturbed by Beverly in "Genesis," who was responsible for the deaths of I can't remember how many crew members (at least one), and had a good chuckle about the whole thing at the end of the episode.
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Old May 29 2013, 01:38 AM   #54
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Ah, but that wasn't intentional...
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