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Old May 28 2013, 12:08 PM   #106
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Re: is babylonian 5 any good

Why is everyone being mean to Star Trek these days?
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Old May 28 2013, 12:08 PM   #107
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Virini's keeper didn't share his fascination with pastels.
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Old May 28 2013, 12:15 PM   #108
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All true.

But here's the amazing thing about the shitty effects... You acclimatize after significant immersion.
Want shitty effects, watch some old Doctor Who. The Space Prawn from the Invisible Enemy still gives me the giggles when I see it. I'm in for the stories, and Trek was boredom incarnate from TNG forward all too often. Special effects are irrelevant when the story is shite.
Classic Doctor Who spent more money on Lunch than Special Effects. You make allowances. Babylon 5 however, spent millions generating computerized special effects, which Blake's Seven used to achieve by gluing two hair driers together (It's documented in the DVD extras.) and swinging them about on fishing wire.

But yes, story should be king.
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Old May 28 2013, 06:03 PM   #109
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Babylon 5 was cancelled.

Everything was used up, tied off and delicious.

Then WB surprise reversed the cancellation and JMS was caught flatfooted with no story left to tell.

Season 5 is a come back from the dead frakking zombie.
Wrong in several respects.

1) PTEN folded. Not quite the same as canceling a show. They had no money for *any* shows.
2) TNT were the ones to pay for a fifth season as part of buying the syndication package.
3) There was still story to tell, particularly around G'Kar and Londo. Joe even talks about it in the script books, and on the DVD commentary, that the Fall of Centauri Prime was the major event that the five years was building to.

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Oh, I forgot the effects, they're bad. I don't care if they were good for their time, good for their time still equals bad because cgi wasn't even close to good enough for weekly television (there's a reason Star Trek still used models),
Actually, there's a reason Star Trek: Voyager decided to use the same exact company that produced the first three seasons of B5's CGI.

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The overall per episode budget was only $900k.
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Old May 28 2013, 07:02 PM   #110
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I'm probably the only person on Earth who still thinks of Jessica Walter as Morgan Le Fay in the original Doctor Strange TV-movie:

"I am Ishtar, bloody Ishtar!"
Right there with ya, Brian. I actually really liked that movie.
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Old May 28 2013, 07:04 PM   #111
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BTW, the B5 20th reunion panel discussion at Phoenix ComiCon is on Youtube. 2 hours in 2 parts. Everybody alive is there except Bruce (he got work! ). It's alternately moving and bloody hysterical.
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Old May 28 2013, 07:08 PM   #112
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I'm probably the only person on Earth who still thinks of Jessica Walter as Morgan Le Fay in the original Doctor Strange TV-movie:

"I am Ishtar, bloody Ishtar!"
Right there with ya, Brian. I actually really liked that movie.
Brian?

Not to sidetrack the discussion too much, but what I liked about the old Doctor Strange was that it wasn't afraid to get comic-booky, complete with magic and demons and alien dimensions, as opposed to to the other CBS Marvel adaptations of the time, which seemed determined to tone down the more fantastic elements of the original comics.

But I digress. Back to B-5 . . .
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Old May 28 2013, 08:55 PM   #113
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I don't know where the "Brian" came from. Senior moment, sorry.

I also liked Edward Everett Horton's voice on the shadowy stop-motion Devil.
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In your heart of hearts, you know that you believe that you are Stewie and everyone one else in the world is Brian the Dog.
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Why is everyone being mean to Star Trek these days?
Star Trek is for Hippies. Y'gotta be a tough guy these days.
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Old May 28 2013, 10:56 PM   #116
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Old May 28 2013, 11:23 PM   #117
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Virini's keeper didn't share his fascination with pastels.
Wasn't Virini the security minister who clued Mollari into who killed the woman? I do believe the Regent's last name was never given.

But your point about the pastels is probably correct.

Reverting for some odd reason to the thread topic, Babylon 5 does stretch disbelief when it throws about megacorps, as if capitalism is eternal. Or even able to reach the stars.
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Old May 29 2013, 12:04 AM   #118
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Used Googel to find that name.

Someone lied to me.

Dug into my shoeboxes of B5 CCG's to find the bastards real name which I kept in an amazingly anally retentive orderly state.

Minister Verano.

http://b5ccg.mahasamatman.com/GreatWar/Gallery/200.JPG

You're thinking of MInister Durano.

http://b5ccg.mahasamatman.com/GreatWar/Gallery/199.JPG

Here's more cards from that expansion.

http://vhati.zxq.net/ArcanistCCG/B5_GW_imglist.html
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I enjoy the oddities of season 5, I think it's a lot of fun. Like a whole season of extras as well as some satisfying stories. And the finale should make anyone cry.

This thread is really making me yearn for a rewatch but I have to be strong! There are other things I'm supposed to be watching and a planned rewatch thread coming up.
I didn't like the first half of S5 with the Telepath story arc except for maybe "Kingdom of the Blind" (which had a great Londo/G'Kar/Centauri intrigue side story) but the second half of the season beginning with "Meditations on the Abyss" and ending with the one-two punch of "Movements of Fire & Shadow/Fall of Centauri Prime" was awesome. I felt that that the remaining episodes tied everything up quite nicely leading into the series finale.
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They are all Herbert.
I reach.

I also grok Spock.
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