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Old May 28 2013, 02:24 AM   #16
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Re: NuEnterprise Torpedo Tubes (spoilers, sort of)

And its not as though the number of tubes is unprecedented. The TOS Enterprise had at the very least 6 torpedo tubes. Other ships like the Enterprise-E and the Akira have a plenitude of tubes as well.
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Old May 28 2013, 03:10 AM   #17
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The one in-universe criterion would be that these tubes should be as difficult for the crew to access in-flight as possible, to hide their true nature. This might indeed best be achieved by having 72 individual single-shot launchers that come pre-loaded (or at least starbase-loaded-by-stevedores-in-black) and don't requite any in-flight tampering such as loading of the next round...
They definitely weren't pre-loaded. The tubes had to be loaded one at a time by a crane when the ship was in firing position. Seems the torpedoes themselves were actually stored in the cargo/shuttle bays close to the launch tubes, which were themselves in fairly awkward positions hardly appropriate for weapons stations.

On the other hand, these were supposedly refitted in a somewhat hasty and clandestine manner...
Hasty, yes, but not clandestine. Everyone on the ship knew what was going on, and everyone was noticeably uncomfortable with the implications. Most of all Scotty, who DID in fact question Starfleet's collective sanity and ultimately resigned in protest.


I'm going to see the movie in 3D again tonight so I'll let you know if I notice anything new about the tubes.
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Old May 28 2013, 03:28 AM   #18
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They definitely weren't pre-loaded. The tubes had to be loaded one at a time by a crane when the ship was in firing position. Seems the torpedoes themselves were actually stored in the cargo/shuttle bays close to the launch tubes, which were themselves in fairly awkward positions hardly appropriate for weapons stations.
If that was the case, why couldn't they just re-use a smaller number of tubes to fire the torpedoes that had to be manually loaded in the first place? If they were going for an anime-style, fire-everything-at-once-attack shouldn't those tubes already come pre-loaded?
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Old May 28 2013, 07:32 AM   #19
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They definitely weren't pre-loaded. The tubes had to be loaded one at a time by a crane when the ship was in firing position. Seems the torpedoes themselves were actually stored in the cargo/shuttle bays close to the launch tubes, which were themselves in fairly awkward positions hardly appropriate for weapons stations.
If that was the case, why couldn't they just re-use a smaller number of tubes to fire the torpedoes that had to be manually loaded in the first place? If they were going for an anime-style, fire-everything-at-once-attack shouldn't those tubes already come pre-loaded?
Upon additional viewing -- paying special attention to that scene -- we hear that area of the ship being repeatedly referred to as the "weapons bay," which IMO implies that those tubes (which I still believe are a relatively recent addition to the ship) were designed to carry various missiles/mines/drones and other weapons other than a standard photon torpedo (actually, I'm not sure that the Khanpedos were ever referred to as photon torpedoes in this movie).

Visually, I only counted between 9 and 12 launch tubes on either side, bunched together in groups of three, and I cannot be sure if there were three or four such groups. Reloading seems to take only five to ten seconds with the crane, however, and considering that the intended target of those torpedoes is a single fugitive hiding in an abandoned Klingon city, loading the torpedoes to be fired in salvos doesn't present that much of a problem, especially if those torpedoes are really as long range and undetectable as Marcus claims they are.
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Old May 29 2013, 04:12 AM   #20
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Upon additional viewing -- paying special attention to that scene -- we hear that area of the ship being repeatedly referred to as the "weapons bay," which IMO implies that those tubes (which I still believe are a relatively recent addition to the ship) were designed to carry various missiles/mines/drones and other weapons other than a standard photon torpedo (actually, I'm not sure that the Khanpedos were ever referred to as photon torpedoes in this movie).
I'm reasonably certain that they were referred to as photorps at least once - probably in the scene with Marcus introducing them.

I was actually somewhat relieved they didn't try to introduce quantum torpedoes early!
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Old June 1 2013, 09:32 PM   #21
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In STIII, it might be nice to have someone indicate that these might be better termed drones (from SFB).
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Old June 2 2013, 08:54 PM   #22
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Upon additional viewing -- paying special attention to that scene -- we hear that area of the ship being repeatedly referred to as the "weapons bay," which IMO implies that those tubes (which I still believe are a relatively recent addition to the ship) were designed to carry various missiles/mines/drones and other weapons other than a standard photon torpedo (actually, I'm not sure that the Khanpedos were ever referred to as photon torpedoes in this movie).
I'm reasonably certain that they were referred to as photorps at least once - probably in the scene with Marcus introducing them.

I was actually somewhat relieved they didn't try to introduce quantum torpedoes early!
Marcus describes them as a new type of photon torpedo.
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Re: NuEnterprise Torpedo Tubes (spoilers, sort of)

So what, then, is the prominent launcher on the neck for? Firing torpedoes forward while at warp?
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Old June 19 2013, 08:34 PM   #24
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Although I still haven't seen the movie, reviews would seem to indicate that the "new torpedo tubes" were pure obfuscation - they were part of the Marcus scheme to blackmail Khan into continuing to serve Starfleet interests. Their only actual function was to provide an excuse for Marcus to smuggle the 72 helpless Augments aboard the ship and then threaten to kill them unless Khan cooperated.

The "old" tube in the neck probably always provided the usual range of services, including all the sublight and warp launches needed. The "new tubes" might have been sublight-only deployment chutes from the sound of it, superficially plausible for use in planetary precision bombardment (the role Marcus claimed they would serve in the Khan hunt), so Kirk would buy the lie easily enough.

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Old June 20 2013, 02:23 AM   #25
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Although I still haven't seen the movie, reviews would seem to indicate that the "new torpedo tubes" were pure obfuscation - they were part of the Marcus scheme to blackmail Khan into continuing to serve Starfleet interests. Their only actual function was to provide an excuse for Marcus to smuggle the 72 helpless Augments aboard the ship and then threaten to kill them unless Khan cooperated.

The "old" tube in the neck probably always provided the usual range of services, including all the sublight and warp launches needed. The "new tubes" might have been sublight-only deployment chutes from the sound of it, superficially plausible for use in planetary precision bombardment (the role Marcus claimed they would serve in the Khan hunt), so Kirk would buy the lie easily enough.

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I prefer to think that Enterprise carries at least two different types of torpedoes on board, necessitating at least two different types of tubes. The side-mounted ones are probably used -- under normal circumstances -- to launch drones, mines, or short-range point defense interceptors.
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Old June 20 2013, 03:52 AM   #26
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The Enterprise has an additional launcher on the underside of the engineering hull. This launcher faces to the aft of the ship.
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