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Old May 27 2013, 04:29 AM   #46
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Re: Do you think they could use the Borg in the next movie?

Also, the whole thing about the Klingon War being a nonstarter in general simply because it hadn't broken out in that intervening year.

Recall that the Federation/Klingon thing was always allegorical to the Cold War. Bad Robot is likely upholding that sensibility while considering its options for how to break that Cold War into a hot one for future installments if they decide to go that route.

Admiral Marcus was a contemporary rendition of the overzealous patriot ready to take matters into his own hands to crush those Commies before they launched the Red Matt -- er, nuclear wessels.
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Old May 27 2013, 04:45 AM   #47
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Admiral Marcus was a contemporary rendition of the overzealous patriot ready to take matters into his own hands to crush those Commies before they launched the Red Matt -- er, nuclear wessels.
Right, but he might not have been entirely off his rocker. The Klinks seized a couple of planets and were already putting pressure on Federation space ever since they encountered.

I got a space raider/pirate vibe from these Klingons, which makes me think the Klink government sponsors corsairs to go grab resources- which may be preying on Fed shipping. The Feds take exception to this, and the Klinks decide to go to war because the Feds are pushovers in their view.
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Old May 27 2013, 04:57 AM   #48
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Re: Do you think they could use the Borg in the next movie?

No to Borg, Q or Trelan.
Yes to Klingons, please.
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Old May 27 2013, 07:48 AM   #49
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Re: Do you think they could use the Borg in the next movie?

I want to see Enterprise take on a Klingon battle cruiser on the big screen in a stand up shooting match. It's a juvenile desire, but it's something I've wanted to see happen since I was 4 years old watching The Motion Picture.
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Old May 27 2013, 02:05 PM   #50
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Ewoks! And Uhura in a metal bikini!
Saving Keenser's planet from Klingon invasion?
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Old May 27 2013, 02:39 PM   #51
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It could also be Trek's take on zombies. The Borg are pretty much zombies aren't they?
Not originally, though. They became that way pretty much around First Contact.
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Old May 27 2013, 02:49 PM   #52
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The Borg? Sure. And given these writers, it wouldn't surprise me if Spockutus shows up with Kirk trying to stop him.
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Old May 27 2013, 02:49 PM   #53
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Yeah, sure, use the Borg... that's what this alternate timeline is for, right? To do all the same shit that's already been done, yeah?
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Old May 27 2013, 03:01 PM   #54
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Yeah, sure, use the Borg... that's what this alternate timeline is for, right? To do all the same shit that's already been done, yeah?
Like anything else, it all comes down to execution. If they have a great Borg story to tell, then I'm all for using them.
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Old May 27 2013, 03:58 PM   #55
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If you had asked me weeks ago I'd have said no to Klingons in the next movie, but after the set up in STID, I say HELL YES...and not the Klingons from STVI, the prissy Shakespearean ones who apparently only own and operate two starships on the eve of war. I'm talking epic, nasty scary Klingons with a fleet. Maybe an Errand of Mercy gone wrong...Kirk evacuating/warning planets in front of the Klingon tide.
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Old May 27 2013, 04:30 PM   #56
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And one year after the incident on Chronos, they're fitting the Enterprise for a five-year mission. The war appears to have been avoided.
Or just delayed. Tensions seem to be rising, and the Empire is expanding. War is inevitable. Who's going to protect the Federation ? YOU ?
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Old May 27 2013, 05:28 PM   #57
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A Borg movie could be done as an exploration movie.
...or as an exploitation movie.

They should totally cast Danny Trejo as Borg King
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Old May 27 2013, 05:34 PM   #58
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I never want to see the Borg again, thank you.
I second this.
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Old May 27 2013, 06:54 PM   #59
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Jesus, no. There's no point in rebooting a franchise so you can rehash the same old crap again and again. And the Borg have been done to death. First Contact. Voyager. Even Enterprise had the Borg show up. Tired of the freaking Borg being the default go-to 'bad guy'.

In fact, they shouldn't rehash anything from prior works again. Khan was bad enough. You have a new, clean slate to work with. Why not make original stories for once?
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Old May 27 2013, 07:10 PM   #60
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If you had asked me weeks ago I'd have said no to Klingons in the next movie, but after the set up in STID, I say HELL YES...and not the Klingons from STVI, the prissy Shakespearean ones who apparently only own and operate two starships on the eve of war. I'm talking epic, nasty scary Klingons with a fleet. Maybe an Errand of Mercy gone wrong...Kirk evacuating/warning planets in front of the Klingon tide.
Yeah, I'd love to see a heated fleet vs fleet exchange. With KLINGONS, yes. After the "big" Narada and the "big" Vengence I'd be impressed to see a large scale battle for a change instead of a hulking behemoth. Especially since now CGI and not real ship models are being used it is a uniquely ideal time to do it!

As for the Borg question of the title, I haven't read the whole thread, but couldn't it be argued that Borg elements are already in both films? The Narada was equipped with Borg weapons and the Klingons reverse-engineered them from the 3 years that Nero and his crew were captive. Isn't all that canon but offscreen from books/comics, etc?

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Jesus, no. There's no point in rebooting a franchise so you can rehash the same old crap again and again. And the Borg have been done to death. First Contact. Voyager. Even Enterprise had the Borg show up. Tired of the freaking Borg being the default go-to 'bad guy'.

In fact, they shouldn't rehash anything from prior works again. Khan was bad enough. You have a new, clean slate to work with. Why not make original stories for once?
I'm inclined to agree with you in general, however this incarnation of the Trek franchise seems to be a smattering of "what if" scenarios and I think a major part of enjoying these films is accepting that. Maybe they'll go with the unknown next time around but I doubt it. I don't think we'll see anything generally brand new until Trek is on the small screen again. Strange news worlds, they say? New life and new civilizations, they say? Well sure, but only for the first 5 minutes.

Rehashing = What If Scenarios. Paramount's theory of profit. We'll see Q riding a Borg cube into Cestus 3 so Kirk can fight some Gorn with styrofoam rocks. Then after picking up some Tribbles from Deep Space 9 (time travel) they'll end up stuck in the delta Quadrant thanks to The Caretaker.
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