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Old May 27 2013, 12:04 PM   #1216
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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One film did reach a general audience. That film was Star Trek IV.
In the UK it was promoted as The Voyage Home: Star Trek IV

I'm convinced to this day my Mum took us to see it mixing Star Trek with Star Wars.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:19 PM   #1217
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According to one article, a film has to make twice its production budget to be successful.
(http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-mone...-be-profitable)

According to Box Office Mojo, the production budget for ST:ID was $190 million. Double that to $380 million. The film has made $285 million to date. By that simple standard, the film has not proven successful. (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek12.htm)

Star Trek IV was made for $21 million. The film was released largely domestically, with a smaller number of overseas theaters showing it. Yet, the movie made $133 million worldwide. (Dollars are rated to 1984.)

http://trekmovie.com/2010/06/30/prod...the-franchise/

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek4.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tr...he_Voyage_Home

Interestingly enough, even with the success of that film, Paramount found that paying the lead actors, who agreed to a reduction in pay, expensive, so the company decided to put money into a TV show instead.

We live in an era of increasing demands being put upon by companies to have successful products. The numbers may seem stunning, but to the people who do the accounting, if a program fails to meet expectations, the results can be catastrophic.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:27 PM   #1218
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So, Star Trek is failed in the box office. I don't know if I will be able to see another Star Trek movie in the future.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:46 PM   #1219
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According to Box Office Mojo, the production budget for ST:ID was $190 million. Double that to $380 million. The film has made $285 million to date. By that simple standard, the film has not proven successful.
I think its a mistake to say it isn't successful when its only been out for two weeks.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:48 PM   #1220
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So, Star Trek is failed in the box office. I don't know if I will be able to see another Star Trek movie in the future.
It is not a massive hit, but far from a failure. John Carter was a failure. 250 million dollar budget, US gross 73 million. *THAT'S* a failure.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:55 PM   #1221
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Wait, what? Failed? We've lost?!

No. No no no.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:04 PM   #1222
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Most. Depressing. Thread. Ever.



*fingers crossed for big buisness in China*
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Old May 27 2013, 01:16 PM   #1223
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Yes, there will be a sequel, and it will be in 2016, the 50th anniversary. There couldn't not be one that year.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:19 PM   #1224
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According to Box Office Mojo, the production budget for ST:ID was $190 million. Double that to $380 million. The film has made $285 million to date. By that simple standard, the film has not proven successful.
It'll still make a lot more money. It's on track to make over $400 million worldwide.

Interestingly enough, even with the success of that film, Paramount found that paying the lead actors, who agreed to a reduction in pay, expensive, so the company decided to put money into a TV show instead.
They put money into a TV show and further movies.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:27 PM   #1225
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According to one article, a film has to make twice its production budget to be successful.
(http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-mone...-be-profitable)

According to Box Office Mojo, the production budget for ST:ID was $190 million. Double that to $380 million. The film has made $285 million to date. By that simple standard, the film has not proven successful. (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek12.htm)

Star Trek IV was made for $21 million. The film was released largely domestically, with a smaller number of overseas theaters showing it. Yet, the movie made $133 million worldwide. (Dollars are rated to 1984.)

http://trekmovie.com/2010/06/30/prod...the-franchise/

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek4.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tr...he_Voyage_Home

Interestingly enough, even with the success of that film, Paramount found that paying the lead actors, who agreed to a reduction in pay, expensive, so the company decided to put money into a TV show instead.

We live in an era of increasing demands being put upon by companies to have successful products. The numbers may seem stunning, but to the people who do the accounting, if a program fails to meet expectations, the results can be catastrophic.
Ok, there is some very odd logic going on here.

First of all, you're assuming that STID will not make any more money. It's been out in the US for two weeks and it has shown good staying power against very tough competition. Second, you seem to be ignoring the fact that the film has yet to be released in a number of major markets (South Korea, Japan, and China, to name a few) and that the international figures are not up-to-date. If Paramount expects that the film will double the overseas gross of ST09 (and, going on current form, I would say that's a real possibility) then it will hit $380 million with some room to spare. Third, films also make money from DVD's and merchandise (quite a lot actually). Fourth, the current cast are signed on for 3 films on a fixed contract-it will only become more expensive to pay the cast after the trilogy is over (and few of us expected more than three films, anyway).

And yes, I do expect a third film to be made, perhaps with a smaller budget. To call this film a box office failure seems to be more wishful thinking on the part of some, rather than a solid assessment of the situation.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:30 PM   #1226
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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So, Star Trek is failed in the box office. I don't know if I will be able to see another Star Trek movie in the future.
If you're being serious, I can only ask - why???! If it's something you like, something you're interested in, surely that should be your primary motivation for watching. Admittedly, Trek is the only franchise I take an active interest in box office numbers, but that's only because I want to see it continue.

This movie looks set to "under-perform" but still be moderately successful - but even if it were an unmitigated financial disaster along the lines of Nemesis, if the studio produces another movie, I will see it - simply because I LOVE Star Trek.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:32 PM   #1227
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

According to Box Office Mojo, the production budget for ST:ID was $190 million. Double that to $380 million. The film has made $285 million to date. By that simple standard, the film has not proven successful.
STID been out for 2 weeks seriously do you think ST09 was at $385 million after 2 weeks.

US Box office is going along nicley and will break $200 million, the only question is how much more past that will it get. The oversea Box office is WAY WAY ahead of ST09 and could break $200 million by the end. So thats $400 minimum, possibly $450 at the max though likely $420-430 IMO.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:39 PM   #1228
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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And yes, I do expect a third film to be made, perhaps with a smaller budget. To call this film a box office failure seems to be more wishful thinking on the part of some, rather than a solid assessment of the situation.
True. It is certainly not a failure. It may not be 'the biggest movie of the summer' (something EMPIRE magazine stated about 4 months ago), but it will be a hit.

I don't know if it's wishful thinking on the part of some. Can't imagine a Trek board where people actually want Trek (in whatever form) to fail. Maybe it's frustration. 'Cause in essence, Trek has the potential to be that massive hit franchise that the Superhero films or the Harry Potters are... I could see kids running around like captain Kirk, teens writing blogs about the Spock-Uhura romance, etc., etc... Trek has that power; it really is *that* good... That it somehow isn't happening, yeah; it's frustrating...
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Old May 27 2013, 01:43 PM   #1229
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According to one article, a film has to make twice its production budget to be successful.
(http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-mone...-be-profitable).



No.



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Wait, what? Failed? We've lost?!
No.

Chill, people. The movie's doing fine, and you're getting a sequel on schedule.

i09 really should stick to posting articles about "The 25 Greatest Movie Spaceships Of All Time."
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Old May 27 2013, 01:43 PM   #1230
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And yes, I do expect a third film to be made, perhaps with a smaller budget. To call this film a box office failure seems to be more wishful thinking on the part of some, rather than a solid assessment of the situation.
True. It is certainly not a failure. It may not be 'the biggest movie of the summer' (something EMPIRE magazine stated about 4 months ago), but it will be a hit.

I don't know if it's wishful thinking on the part of some. Can't imagine a Trek board where people actually want Trek (in whatever form) to fail. Maybe it's frustration. 'Cause in essence, Trek has the potential to be that massive hit franchise that the Superhero films or the Harry Potters are... I could see kids running around like captain Kirk, teens writing blogs about the Spock-Uhura romance, etc., etc... Trek has that power; it really is *that* good... That it somehow isn't happening, yeah; it's frustrating...
I understand your frustration but I'm not sure that Star Trek will ever have mass appeal in the same way that Iron Man and Superman do. Even if it is made to cater to a summer blockbuster audience, I doubt it will make $600 million plus. It is a niche with a lot of elasticity, though not too much.
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