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Old May 26 2013, 11:36 PM   #76
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Re: Was there a TMP Enterprise outrage ?

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There's hate for the TMP Enterprise ?
There certainly was when the nacelle pylons of my AMT kit snapped off for the dozenth time
I'd say that was more a case of AMT rather TMP hate.
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Old May 26 2013, 11:50 PM   #77
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Re: Was there a TMP Enterprise outrage ?

Shouldn't that be "twelfth" ?
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Old May 27 2013, 02:00 AM   #78
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Shouldn't that be "twelfth" ?
Nah, dozenth is a word. I've heard it often, too.
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Old May 27 2013, 02:42 AM   #79
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There's hate for the TMP Enterprise ?
I'm referring to those who slam the TMP version VS the TOS version. I am not saying they are in the majority or anything.
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Old May 27 2013, 09:06 PM   #80
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There's hate for the TMP Enterprise ?
I can't imagine how such a thing is possible.

To me, Andy Probert's redesign of the Enterprise for TMP is perfect. There is nothing about that ship that I would do differently. It is my favorite Star Trek ship design. I accept Matt Jeffries' original design, but to me that's the rough draft on the way to bliss.
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Old May 27 2013, 11:39 PM   #81
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Re: Was there a TMP Enterprise outrage ?

I remember no outrage, people were really impressed...but then again it had been 10 years and we were ready see anything, and there were no Trekkie fundamentalists around back then yet.

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Old May 27 2013, 11:49 PM   #82
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I remember seeing stills of the refit in magazines (Fantastic Films, etc.) and being underwhelmed by the look of the thing. The plating was way more exaggerated in some of the publicity photos than in the film. I never loved the nacelles; I still don't. But outrage? Nah.
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Old May 28 2013, 01:38 AM   #83
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I know that Andy Probert gets credit for the redesign. His hands were the last of a long list of designers to create the version we saw on screen. I just don't want to neglect that Matt Jeffries' Phase II modifications were the start of the ship we saw in-screen. Richard Taylor really refined the design we saw on-screen and gave it a lot of the art-deco flourishes, especially to the new nacelle designs. Andy Probert refined a lot of elements under Taylor's art direction. When Robert Abel's FX clmalnu was let go (and Richard Taylor with it), Trumbull retained Probert and added a few things of his own, such as the redesigned upper decks (they were taller on Taylor's version), and of course the additional lighting fixtures so that the ship could appear self-illuminated. Andy Probert is an exceptionally talented individual but he was not alone in creating the beautiful Enterprise we saw on TMP.
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Old May 28 2013, 12:53 PM   #84
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there were no Trekkie fundamentalists around back then yet.
Wanna bet? I met plenty throught 1980, my first year as a member of Star Trek fandom.

Going through back issues of our club newsletter, there were also plenty who were annoyed by the mere thought of Filmation's TAS, and who dreaded the thought of a Spockless "Phase II" wrecking their memories.
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Old May 28 2013, 01:15 PM   #85
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there were no Trekkie fundamentalists around back then yet.
Wanna bet? I met plenty throught 1980, my first year as a member of Star Trek fandom.

Going through back issues of our club newsletter, there were also plenty who were annoyed by the mere thought of Filmation's TAS, and who dreaded the thought of a Spockless "Phase II" wrecking their memories.
That doesn't really surprise me, but I never ran into any of them myself.

Sometimes, though, it's amusing to ponder what it might have been like if the Internet had been around back then.
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Old May 28 2013, 01:17 PM   #86
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Sometimes, though, it's amusing to ponder what it might have been like if the Internet had been around back then.
No doubt the vocal minority would have been more vocal. Like today.
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Old May 28 2013, 01:21 PM   #87
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Sometimes, though, it's amusing to ponder what it might have been like if the Internet had been around back then.
Check out the post-TMP volumes of "The Best of Trek" paperback collections.
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Old May 28 2013, 03:15 PM   #88
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I remember falling in love at first sight with the Refit when I saw TMP on opening weekend and my opinion has never changed. It is still the quintessential starship to me. I don't recall any uproar about the design at all.
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There's hate for the TMP Enterprise ?
I can't imagine how such a thing is possible.

To me, Andy Probert's redesign of the Enterprise for TMP is perfect. There is nothing about that ship that I would do differently. It is my favorite Star Trek ship design. I accept Matt Jeffries' original design, but to me that's the rough draft on the way to bliss.
I'd make the nacelles more like the TOS ship's. I'm also more fond of the mechanical dish on the TOS ship than the big blue spotlight in TMP.

Both of which, of course, they returned to with the Enterprise in Abrams's films.
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Old May 28 2013, 04:00 PM   #90
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Re: Was there a TMP Enterprise outrage ?

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There's hate for the TMP Enterprise ?
I can't imagine how such a thing is possible.

To me, Andy Probert's redesign of the Enterprise for TMP is perfect. There is nothing about that ship that I would do differently. It is my favorite Star Trek ship design. I accept Matt Jeffries' original design, but to me that's the rough draft on the way to bliss.
There's absolutely nothing in Star Trek that isn't hated by someone. If even some logo fonts can be hated, definitely no starship design is immune.
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