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Old May 26 2013, 09:15 PM   #16
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Re: death penalty

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Second, the death penalty does not seem to have much of at.
I don't intend death poenalty as a deterent, but as a good method to put off criminals
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Old May 26 2013, 09:15 PM   #17
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What do you think of death penalty?

I think it's a good method to put off unrecoverable criminals.

I'd apply it for recidivious criminal,independently by the crime committed.
Please tell me you are not actually Italian.
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Old May 26 2013, 09:20 PM   #18
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Please tell me you are not actually Italian.
well, i consider myself as venitian, but yes i'm italian

I live in padova, near venice, and you?
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Old May 26 2013, 09:28 PM   #19
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Nope, the death penalty is a anachronism, it should be left in the past were it belongs.
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Old May 26 2013, 09:51 PM   #20
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Second, the death penalty does not seem to have much of at.
I don't intend death poenalty as a deterent, but as a good method to put off criminals
What do you think deterrent means?


I'm against it, morally, rationally, and pragmatically.
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Old May 26 2013, 10:35 PM   #21
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well, i consider myself as venitian
I guess that explains it. You support putting down people guilty of petty crimes like they were animals, you scorn immigrants, and you have troubles with spelling and grammar. Tell me, do you also vote Lega Nord?
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Old May 26 2013, 10:51 PM   #22
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Not sure if that is a valid argument against death penalty.

It can be re-worded.

Advocating imprisonment implies being fine with some innocent people being imprisoned.
Does that mean prisons are wrong because there MIGHT be a chance an innocent person gets into jail for - maybe - 30 years until it becomes clear was was innocent? An innocent person might get sent to jail and DIE before a new technique (like DNA tests) proves his innocence.
You cannot avoid imprisoning people (I am fairly dovish on this issue and think that prisons are too often hell, a place where people change for the worse and not for the better ... but you obviously do wanna imprison rapists and murderers and not just force them to do community work or pay a fine.) but you can avoid executing them.
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Old May 26 2013, 10:52 PM   #23
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It is a vestige of barbarism.
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Old May 26 2013, 11:18 PM   #24
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I am against it.
I'm against it. But there are times that my emotions get the better of me and I think they should take someone out and hang them. Especially when the crime involves children.
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Old May 26 2013, 11:51 PM   #25
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I live in a state that executes more people than most countries and where the entire process has been "streamlined" to kill more prisoners more quickly, providing less opportunities for appeals and removing more barriers what would have previously spared someone from execution.

It hasn't stopped crime at all. It hasn't improved the quality of life of the citizens and certainly hasn't reduced prison populations any. I have very mixed feelings about it, but to be honest, I think, at its core, it's little more than regulated savagery.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:49 AM   #26
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I used to be in favor of the death penalty but now I'm against it. For many reasons:

- The possibility of executing an innocent person is just too great.

- It's expensive. Probably more so than incarceration.

- For the worst criminals, the kind that you'd think would deserve death: Death's too good for them. Let them rot in jail knowing what will eventually happen to them ...it might inspire them to have a change of heart.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:51 AM   #27
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There are cases of people getting released after DECADES. Your life is pretty much ruined then.
Well, there's a huge difference between life being ruined and life being over. One has a chance for getting some semblance of a life back. I can't see how death would be preferable even if the goal is to reduce both.

Death candidates wait several decades as well for their execution.
That's narrowing. I think the average is about 10 years now, but it's going closer to five. Habeas cases are virtually impossible to succeed these days and you really only get one shot at that plus the direct appeal (if you assume two for both that's four years before they can start planning your execution).

Florida just passed a bill to speed up the death penalty process. When pointed out that the delay allows innocent individuals to have a chance to be exonerated, Republican Senator Rob Bradley responded with, "This is not about guilt or innocence, it's about timely justice." In other words, it doesn't matter whether the person executed is innocent or not, society needs to see someone executed quickly for justice to be served.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:57 AM   #28
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When pointed out that the delay allows innocent individuals to have a chance to be exonerated, Republican Senator Rob Bradley responded with, "This is not about guilt or innocence, it's about timely justice." In other words, it doesn't matter whether the person executed is innocent or not, society needs to see someone executed quickly for justice to be served.
Which obviously isn't justice at all.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:21 AM   #29
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No-one has been executed in my state since 1946 (and only a total of 3 men were executed in the entire 20th century). Society here hasn't fallen to pieces as a result of not executing people.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:28 AM   #30
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I think the death penalty is wrong.

Buuut.. if there is ever a planet where we could stick rapists and killers...

I don't know. I just wish that people who wish to do others harm could be beamed to another place where they could do harm to eachother. Peace for the peacefull.
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