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Old May 26 2013, 04:27 AM   #166
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

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He looks more like Darth Maul than a Klingon. The head has a cube-like shape, that thing running down the head doesn't resemble a ridge, the whole head looks like it was dunked in BBQ sauce and put on the grill and he doesn't have any hair.

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That's what a Klingon should look like.

No, doesn't look like Darth Maul at all.
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Old May 26 2013, 04:28 AM   #167
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

I'm still trying to figure out how Darth Maul has a cube-shaped head that looks like it was dunked in barbecue sauce. And where are the pointy yellow Klingon horns and black and red facial tattoos?
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Old May 26 2013, 04:33 AM   #168
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

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That way J.J. honors continuity but doesn't step in a huge nerd minefield by changing some detail about Khan's age, the wars or his ship.
Just his race.
What race would that be?
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Old May 26 2013, 04:43 AM   #169
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Hard to say. He was played by a Mexican actor before. Maybe he was supposed to be Mexican?
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Old May 26 2013, 06:04 AM   #170
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

If we had to go based on television from the seventies and eighties I'd say Khan was a Corinthian.
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Old May 26 2013, 06:10 PM   #171
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That way J.J. honors continuity but doesn't step in a huge nerd minefield by changing some detail about Khan's age, the wars or his ship.
Just his race.
What race would that be?
Indian.
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Old May 26 2013, 06:42 PM   #172
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Only one Klingon took off his helmet if I'm not mistaken, and although he looked slightly different, I thought he had ridges...
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Old May 26 2013, 07:23 PM   #173
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To be fair, the bit about Khan "possibly" being a Sikh was mentioned once in "Space Seed," forty-six years ago. It wasn't mentioned at all in The Wrath of Khan. Granted, I got two books out of that line, but I'm inclined to cut them some slack here. Khan's Sikh roots are not essential to the character; heck, Khan never mentions them onscreen. He identifies as a genetically-engineered superman, not a Sikh.

The way I see it, one line of dialogue from forty-six years ago is no big deal. As the saying goes, sometimes an ounce of inaccuracy saves a ton of explanation.

Or, even more profoundly, why sweat the small stuff?
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Old May 26 2013, 07:30 PM   #174
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OK, seriously, those who actually care about this shit should just assume that a quick aesthetic surgery was a part of Section 31 fake identity package.

In the 23rd century, changing one's appearance shouldn't be much more difficult than changing a name. Heck, they can probably do it in a matter of minutes.
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Old May 26 2013, 07:41 PM   #175
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OK, seriously, those who actually care about this shit should just assume that a quick aesthetic surgery was a part of Section 31 fake identity package.

In the 23rd century, changing one's appearance shouldn't be much more difficult than changing a name. Heck, they can probably do it in a matter of minutes.
Heck, Kirk had himself surgically disguised as a Romulan in "The Enterprise Incident," an Orion was surgically transformed into an Andorian in "Journey to Babel," and a Klingon was surgically disguised as a human in "The Trouble with Tribbles."

So it's canon!
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Old May 26 2013, 08:16 PM   #176
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

According to Article I of the "Rehat Maryada" (the Sikh code of conduct and conventions), a Sikh is defined as "any human being who faithfully believes in One Immortal Being; ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind Singh; Guru Granth Sahib; the teachings of the ten Gurus and the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru; and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion".[31] Sikhs believe in the equality of humankind, the concept of universal brotherhood and One Supreme transcendent and immanent God (Ik Onkar)
If that's the case, ethnicity doesn't enter into it. Anyone can be Sikh.

I'm thinking that Khan might be Sikh in name only.
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Old May 26 2013, 08:46 PM   #177
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

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The way I see it, one line of dialogue from forty-six years ago is no big deal. As the saying goes, sometimes an ounce of inaccuracy saves a ton of explanation.
Why do the audiences today need "a ton of explanation" what a Sikh is, but the audiences in the 60s didn't?
Khan was a genetically engineered tyrant over all eurasia hundreds of years ago, got overthrown and escaped/exiled into space. One line of monologue.
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Old May 26 2013, 09:11 PM   #178
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The way I see it, one line of dialogue from forty-six years ago is no big deal. As the saying goes, sometimes an ounce of inaccuracy saves a ton of explanation.
Why do the audiences today need "a ton of explanation" what a Sikh is, but the audiences in the 60s didn't?
Khan was a genetically engineered tyrant over all eurasia hundreds of years ago, got overthrown and escaped/exiled into space. One line of monologue.
I think audiences in general couldn't give a rat's ass. It's just the Treknoids that need everything spelled out, with 27 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.

And that cracks me up.
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Old May 26 2013, 09:13 PM   #179
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The way I see it, one line of dialogue from forty-six years ago is no big deal. As the saying goes, sometimes an ounce of inaccuracy saves a ton of explanation.
Why do the audiences today need "a ton of explanation" what a Sikh is, but the audiences in the 60s didn't?
Khan was a genetically engineered tyrant over all eurasia hundreds of years ago, got overthrown and escaped/exiled into space. One line of monologue.
I think audiences in general couldn't give a rat's ass. It's just the Treknoids that need everything spelled out, with 27 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.

And that cracks me up.
There's this notion that I will never understand: the audience is stupid. Apparently EVERYTHING that was already mentioned somewhere confuses the people in theaters and needs to be done differently.
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Old May 26 2013, 09:18 PM   #180
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Why do the audiences today need "a ton of explanation" what a Sikh is, but the audiences in the 60s didn't?
Khan was a genetically engineered tyrant over all eurasia hundreds of years ago, got overthrown and escaped/exiled into space. One line of monologue.
I think audiences in general couldn't give a rat's ass. It's just the Treknoids that need everything spelled out, with 27 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.

And that cracks me up.
There's this notion that I will never understand: the audience is stupid. Apparently EVERYTHING that was already mentioned somewhere confuses the people in theaters and needs to be done differently.
Audiences aren't stupid. They don't need minor details explained. It's just the fanatical Treknicators that need "two minutes of onscreen explanation."

I like to think that my imagination can fill in any blanks, real or perceived.

The fans that need the slow paced, talk it to death in every scene, blahblahblah, are the reason Trek nearly died.
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