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Old May 26 2013, 02:02 PM   #76
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"New Zealand".

I read that wrong for half your post thinking you were talking about "black lists" and not "back lists" because it's late and my vision is blurry, but then you got right black onto that track with the Orwell citation.

What I described is how "your" library should work, it's hardly my fault that Americanian culture is breaking down.

In my brain right now, I'm seeing highlights from the episode of Family Ties where the School Board tried to ban Huckleberry Fin.

Elyse looked troublingly old on Glee last month.
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Old May 26 2013, 02:10 PM   #77
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How many episodes did any of us ever think that it would apex with the return of DEl Varner... THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN EVER TO STEP FOOT ON BABYLON 5!
Morden, Bester and Kosh II didn't have SHIT on Del Varner. It's lucky he died before the Shadow War because he'd have exterminated both sides.

Never read a B5 novel, am currently loving the DS9 Relaunch. How does it compare to those books? I have pretty high standards for tie-in novels due to the exceptional quality of the Doctor Who VNA and EDA novel ranges.

Love Babylon 5 because it's an attempt to make a Dune saga or Tolkien mythology for the small screen. Appeals to me as Dune and The Silmarillion are my two most read books.
The second Kosh is referred to as Ulkesh, which is not to be mixed up with the Goul'd light bomber from Stargate.

The trilogies (Psi Corps, technomages and Centauri.) came out after the series finished and were controlled by JMS who plotted the shit out of those SOB's unilike the stand alone novels (some written by mercenaries before the pilot aired.) which was just Warner Brothers trying to make as much money as possible.

And really!

I saw DEl Varner go up against Jonathan Archer and the Silders.

PISSPOOR!
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Old May 26 2013, 03:46 PM   #78
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The Centauri trilogy I have but have yet to read because of my Peter David allergy, but I have every intention of getting over it and reading them. Vir was much better round. Crusade was more interesting after reading Galen's story in the technomage trilogy.

Psi Corp trilogy was a quick read and had some excellent Bester development.

I suppose I shouldn't handwring over people's failure to read the technomage trilogy when I've failed to read the Centauri trilogy.. but KingDaniel if you are reading this you of all people still have no excuse considering how much abysmal Treklit you've read and retained.
I haven't read any of them i've been hunting the books but have only found a few, and I don't want to start reading a set until I have them all, for fear that I would go mad if I couldn't finish a story.
Amazon doesn't stock them?
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Old May 26 2013, 04:06 PM   #79
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The Centauri trilogy I have but have yet to read because of my Peter David allergy, but I have every intention of getting over it and reading them. Vir was much better round. Crusade was more interesting after reading Galen's story in the technomage trilogy.

Psi Corp trilogy was a quick read and had some excellent Bester development.

I suppose I shouldn't handwring over people's failure to read the technomage trilogy when I've failed to read the Centauri trilogy.. but KingDaniel if you are reading this you of all people still have no excuse considering how much abysmal Treklit you've read and retained.
I haven't read any of them i've been hunting the books but have only found a few, and I don't want to start reading a set until I have them all, for fear that I would go mad if I couldn't finish a story.
Amazon doesn't stock them?
2 of the Trilogies have at least one book that is very hard to get unless you want to pay $100 on Amazon Marketplace or Ebay.(or you get lucky to find in Used Book store or find an unnoticed one on Ebay that starts with low bidding)

As the Trilogy progresses, fewer books are printed for the later novels, as sales always go down by the end of a Series. The printed New copies are all sold, so there is only secondary market, with no intention/influence to reprint
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Old May 26 2013, 05:03 PM   #80
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It took me 5 minutes to find the ebooks in the same unsavoury places most of us steal our music from, but that's neither here nor there since I read them all years ago.

US $100.00?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhit.
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Old May 26 2013, 06:24 PM   #81
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Yowza!

You find something rare like that and wonder where the cheering throngs are.
the cheering throngs were there, I just had to keep them quiet until we left the store. Also, my first time at the store I found a complete set of Ravenloft books that I ended up making an obscene profit from.
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Old May 26 2013, 11:26 PM   #82
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captains.

Don't start with In The Beginning. Ruins the entire mystery of Season 1. Boot up The Gathering and let the story unfold.
PLEASE don't star with The Beginning!!

You can do it that way the second time you watch Bab 5. You only get to start with no spoilers once

And I never had any problems with Season 1, I was quite enamored with the station and I found plenty to intrigue me.
Or how about this.

Don't start with In The Beginning, but if you find your interest in the show waning during Season One and you're thinking of not finishing it, then watch In The Beginning.
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Old May 26 2013, 11:30 PM   #83
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Don't start with In The Beginning, but if you find your interest in the show waning during Season One and you're thinking of not finishing it, then watch In The Beginning.
Or just quit !

I've seen it all, and don't regret it, but it's not that great.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:41 AM   #84
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Or you could just buy a large bottle of Vodka and make a game out of it with some friends. Okay looking at a the rules: a VERY large bottle, or a VERY small shot glass.

The Babylon 5 Drinking Game.

Rules:

  • Recite the introduction along with Sinclair, Sheridan, etc. Drink once each time you screw up.
  • Yell "Incoming!" and drink once when a blue jump point or jump gate opens.
  • Yell "Outgoing!" and spit (or pretend to) when a yellow jump point or jump gate opens.
  • When a character drinks alcohol, you drink. If a toast is offered, repeat the toast.
    • If the toast is "Valtoo!" take an extra drink.
    • If the drink is a Jovian Sunspot, take an extra drink.
    • If the character is Minbari, chug.
  • Drink once when a Psi-Cop appears.
  • The first time that Lyta Alexander appears on-screen, yell "I'd do her!" regardless of your gender and sexual preference. Whoever says it first wins. Everyone else takes one drink.
  • As above, with "Danger, Will Robinson!" for Lennier.
  • As above, with "It's the One-Armed Man!" for G'Kar.
  • As above, with "Dorfman!" for Vir.
  • Drink once and toast the "Great Maker" when JMS's name appears onscreen.
  • When Garibaldi refers to his nth favorite thing in the universe, drink max(5-n,1) times. Double that amount if we actually see the nth favorite thing.
  • Drink once when someone besides Ivanova exhibits characteristically Russian pessimism.
  • Drink once when Vir takes a stand against someone in a more powerful position (e.g. Londo, Morden).
  • Drink once when anyone imitates Londo.
  • Drink once when a character has a waking dream, vision, premonition, etc.
  • Drink twice if a situation causes a character to recall a waking dream, vision, premonition, etc.
  • Drink once when any of the following characters appear on-screen or are referenced by name in dialogue:
    • Zathras
    • Draal
    • General Franklin
    • General Hague
    • Brother Theo
    • Clark
    • "The First Ones"
    • Lord Refa
    • Nagrath
    • Rebo and Zootie
  • Drink once when Delenn describes a Minbari ritual. Take an extra drink if she does not use the words "It is a tradition among my people" or a variant thereof.
  • Drink once when Delenn recites the following dialogue, or a variation:
    I am grey; I stand between the candle and the star. We are grey; we stand between the darkness and the light.
  • Drink once when Lennier kicks some ass.
  • Drink once when Lennier acts inappropriately for a member of the religious caste (e.g. riding a motorcycle, modeling a bikini, or playing poker).
  • Drink once when a Drazi uses the word "purple" or "green". Yes, every time.
  • Drink when a sector of B5 is mentioned in dialogue.
    • Take a second drink if it's a brown sector, and a third drink if it wasn't a security officer mentioning it.
    • If it's a green sector, yell "Purple!" All but first person to do so take a second drink.
  • Drink once whenever Centauri genitalia are mentioned, or appear on-screen.
  • Drink once whenever G'Kar's sexual habits, preferences, or talents are mentioned.
  • Drink once when the Book of G'Quon is abused.
  • Drink once when a legislature or other ruling body is dissolved.
  • Drink once when any race's homeworld is seen from space. Don't forget about Earth or Z'ha'dum!
  • Drink once when it's pretty clear that somebody is totally naked, even though you can't tell for certain. Twice if it's somebody from the opening credits.
  • Drink once when Bester turns a personal insult into pleasant conversation (e.g. "A piñata? So I'm filled with toys and candy and smiles for children?").
  • Show respect for the dead. For each funeral service performed, stand, uncover, and drink a toast to the departed.
  • Drink once when any of the following is mentioned in dialogue:
    • G'Quon (twice for G'Quon Eth)
    • Illegal orders
    • The chain of command
    • Civilian targets
    • Weapons of mass destruction
    • Earthdome
    • Ultraviolet priority
    • Gold channel
    • Sector 14
    • Orion 7
    • Io transfer point
    • Zeta Squadron
    • Universe Today (twice if it appears onscreen)
    • Spoo (twice if it is "fresh")
    • Flarn
    • Code 7R
    • Quantinium-40
    • The Kha'Ri
  • Drink once when the Great Machine appears onscreen or is referenced in dialogue.
  • Drink once when someone quotes literature. If anyone can identify the author or work, everyone else takes an extra drink.
  • Drink once when the Zima sign appears onscreen.
  • Drink once when a link or Babcom beeps at an inconvenient time.
  • Drink once when Kosh's ship appears on-screen.
  • Drink once if a C&C Tech appears outside of C&C.
  • Drink once if Babylon 5's blast doors close. Drink twice if they should be closed, but nobody thinks to order it.
  • Drink four times if a character listed in the opening credits dies.
  • Drink once whenever somebody says that humans build communities. Drink twice if it is actually relevant.
  • Drink once whenever somebody mentions that there are races millions of years older than our own. Drink twice if it's someone other than Delenn.
  • Drink once for each line Kosh speaks.
  • Drink twice when Kosh appears outside his encounter suit.
  • Drink once when anyone asks, "Who are you?" or "What do you want?"
How will it end?
In the toilet.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:35 AM   #85
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I love B5! It's such a funny show. I think my fave moment must be "sex human style".
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Old May 27 2013, 04:49 AM   #86
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Do NOT watch In The Beginning first, it will spoil just about the entire series
I can't believe anybody suggests such a thing. The Londo framing story is spoilerific enough but the ending to the Minbari War is just.. a huge, defining mystery in the early parts of the show.
jms himself doesn't have a problem with watching "In the Beginning" first, although it's situational:
Will ItB spoil some of season one's mysteries?
That's an interesting question. When I sat down to write In the Beginning, my feeling was that I should look at the long term. Would the hole in Sinclair's mind be the same mystery it was in season one, or would it be kind of known thereafter? If so, then do you want to play with the mystery, or set up what actually happened? I figured, okay, let's go for the latter...let's let the audience know (which will mostly know by now anyway), and set up the background, with the characters not knowing the first season. I took basic greek tragedy as my model, with ItB functioning more or less as a Greek chorus that sets things up.

If you want to play it as a strict mystery, then no, probably don't go near ItB...but frankly, if I were going to start someone off on B5, I'd definitely want to start with ItB, which sort of skims in and out of the overall storyline in a beautiful fashion.
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It turns out the entire library system in my city of 4.25million is online. The Psi-Corp trilogy is listed but there are 0 copies in the system. The techno-mage trilogy is not listed and neither is the Centauri trilogy. So even if I was willing to sign up a relative under a different address in order to sneak back into the system and borrow books the books under discussion would not be there.

DaleJKim you asked about these books in comparison to DS9 relaunch. Much as I enjoyed relaunch (and I think it offers some of the best of Treklit) the techno-mage trilogy is far better writing, novels that stand on their own as great science fiction.
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I haven't read any of them i've been hunting the books but have only found a few, and I don't want to start reading a set until I have them all, for fear that I would go mad if I couldn't finish a story.
Amazon doesn't stock them?
2 of the Trilogies have at least one book that is very hard to get unless you want to pay $100 on Amazon Marketplace or Ebay.(or you get lucky to find in Used Book store or find an unnoticed one on Ebay that starts with low bidding)

As the Trilogy progresses, fewer books are printed for the later novels, as sales always go down by the end of a Series. The printed New copies are all sold, so there is only secondary market, with no intention/influence to reprint
I paid about 20 for one of them and got lucky with the other rare one. I've had my name down at a couple second hand bookshops in my area (very small places.. the size of half a garage) in case they get Bab 5 books in but no one has ever called.

On another note I see that The Quiet Earth which sells for around 200.00 on ebay is coming to Kindle in July
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Old May 27 2013, 09:43 AM   #89
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My stupid library is insufficient to my expectations too.

The overnight delivery service exists, the catalogue consumes all, but as stj kinda almost said, even the best librarians can't restock shelves with books that don't exist.
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Babylon 5 is among the best of television shows, but it is most definitely a novel. Each episode is a chapter and, while there are a handful that are technically irrelevant, it is best experienced by watching it from beginning to end in order.
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