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Old May 26 2013, 02:33 PM   #16
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How come no Green Lantern was ever played by a green actor?
The audience isn't ready for that yet. Maybe in a few years, but, not now, too Controversial.

Yea, 1960s Doctor Who was pretty Racist with caricatures like in Tomb of the Cybermen, but, you'd be hard pressed not to find that kind of thing in most shows from that time. Same with being Sexist.

We've had Mickey and Martha as Companions, the Doctor gave all kinds of respect to the Indian lady in the Silurian two-parter Hungry Earth/Cold Blood, as well as the one in the The God Complex. Classic Who had Brigadier Bamberra in Battlefield.

The Doctor has always been a White Male, not changing him to black is not a sign of racism, it's showing consistency, but, the door is open if/when they have an actor show up who's black and is the best for the part. I don't want them going out of their way to check the box, I just want the best actor for the job, and I would welcome him/her if he/she was black.
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Old May 26 2013, 02:42 PM   #17
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RTD era was racist as were a few classic stories but this article ignores all the actual cases? Black people were consistently portrayed as idiots under RTD.

That said it's terribly ageist as is 99% of other tv. If they can get that many kid actors there should be old ones too. Villains are fun but other roles please too.
Neither Mickey, nor Martha were portrayed as being idiots for being Black.

Mickey wasn't treated any more like an idiot or differently early on, then Rory was, and he grew into a great hero that had The Doctor's respect and Martha's only "idiocy" was expecting to get together with a Time Lord on the rebound, She was a Doctor, a Torchwood Agent, a UNIT Agent, she saved the world a couple of times. The Tree Lady certainly wasn't portrayed as idiot. Then of course there was Clyde in SJA
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Old May 26 2013, 03:39 PM   #18
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RTD threw Martha and Mickey together for no other reason than they're black.

As stated though, racism rarely bothers me and I find the idea that races compete with eachother in the Offence Olympics as to who suffers the most injustice to be hilarious. I heard a recent interview with Jamie Foxx where he claimed there was "nothing in the world more dangerous than being a black man in America today".

Get perspective, people.

Oddly, I almost NEVER hear complaints that Chinese people aren't portrayed well in Doctor Who, despite them easily having the most legitimate case. We've had 2 black companions in the modern series. What the fuck more are people expecting!? What do the black community feel they're still owed? 3 black Doctors!? No other minority community whines this much, despite them getting FAR less exposure in the media. When was the last time you saw a Native American headline a blockbuster movie?
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Old May 26 2013, 03:59 PM   #19
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RTD threw Martha and Mickey together for no other reason than they're black.
Eh...Mickey traded up(From a Shop Girl who treated him like garbage to a Medical Doctor/Secret Agent)
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Old May 26 2013, 04:30 PM   #20
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I do think it's unfortunate that Martha was his "rebound companion". If the Doctor had been as obsessed with her as Rose, Amy or Clara I think it'd be harder to raise the question of race.

I think Indians/Pakis have probably been given short shrift the most considering they outnumber blacks in the UK from what I've read. SJA did a pretty good job with Clyde and Rani and they really grew on you by the end.
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Old May 26 2013, 04:38 PM   #21
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RTD threw Martha and Mickey together for no other reason than they're black.
Or more precisely, because they were the leftovers.
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Old May 26 2013, 04:42 PM   #22
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SJA did a pretty good job with Clyde and Rani and they really grew on you by the end.
Agreed, far better treated than any of the minority characters under RTD's Who tenure.

Rani was fucking hawt too.
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Old May 26 2013, 05:22 PM   #23
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RTD era was racist as were a few classic stories but this article ignores all the actual cases? Black people were consistently portrayed as idiots under RTD.
Anyone that threatened the Rose/Doctor relationship was portrayed as an idiot by RTD. It's not an issue of racism, but of Davies feeling the need to build his characters up by tearing down those around them.
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RTD threw Martha and Mickey together for no other reason than they're black.
Really? They both walked off with Jack in Journeys End, so it's highly possible they ended up working together at Torchwood for a time... then there's the fact that they've both seen and done things that few other people on Earth could relate to, which as the Doctor has said, makes it harder to have a relationship with someone who hasn't done likewise... not to mention the time they both spent pining for people that didn't appreciate them... I could easily see them bonding over that.

But no, the reason has to be the colour of their skin.
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Old May 26 2013, 05:34 PM   #24
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Good lord!

Jack, Mickey and Martha had group sex.

And they kept having group sex until Jack wandered off bored and then, well... Two people is still a group.
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Old May 26 2013, 05:53 PM   #25
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyroc

I am watching "Chasing Liberty" a Mandy Moore Romcom about the pressure of dating when you're the first daughter, right now, and I still have the reserve to vomit a little more after learning about this Tyroc person.

Although, to be fair...

All the black people in the world didn't go to an island, it was just a handful of escaped slaves in the 19th century, who then invented super science and... If hyper intelligent telepathic Gorillas could invent super science before the rest of the world why not runaway African slaves half way to America?

Hitler originally wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar. No tricks. He just wanted them out of sight. It wasn't until the Reich Treasurer broke down the cost of humanely shifting that many people so far away, that things got out of hand.
The '70s were a weird time for the legion, another odd story is Cosmic Boy being revealed as a religious fundamentalist who assaults a female co-worker when she asked him to use his super-powers on a special holy day.
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Old May 26 2013, 05:53 PM   #26
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Rani was fucking hawt too.
The problem with actors of age playing underage characters, they sometimes make you feel guilty of fancying them.

Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
Good lord!

Jack, Mickey and Martha had group sex.

And they kept having group sex until Jack wandered off bored and then, well... Two people is still a group.
If you're gonna write a fanfic on that, I'm gonna check it out.
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Old May 26 2013, 06:22 PM   #27
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Anyone that threatened the Rose/Doctor relationship was portrayed as an idiot by RTD.

RTD wrote all his characters as idiots .

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The problem with actors of age playing underage characters, they sometimes make you feel guilty of fancying them.
No guilt here .
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Old May 26 2013, 08:57 PM   #28
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Konata Izumi wrote: View Post
RTD era was racist as were a few classic stories but this article ignores all the actual cases? Black people were consistently portrayed as idiots under RTD.
Bah-wha? Doctor Who under RTD is one of the most racially diverse shows around.

Meanwhile, the article in the OP is bullshit. Maybe Doctor Who has never been a leading voice in getting more minorities on TV and admittedly classic Who is very much white man's TV. But that's a reality of TV in general in the 60s and 70s and it was never racially offensive. Except for Tomb of the Cybermen, that is. "You do not talk to him, he is my servant." That line sums everything up.
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Old May 26 2013, 09:25 PM   #29
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Doctor Who is a 50 year show, so naturally to 21st century some of the stuff in the 60s or 70s are going to be insensitive to modern audiences. However a lot of their complaints are utterly mad, how is being a cricket fan racist?
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Old May 26 2013, 11:01 PM   #30
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The number of white slaves in Doctor Who vastly outnumbers the amount of black slaves. Tomb of the Cybermen isn't racist, it's a terrific story.

Talons of Weng-Chiang is kinda racist, but it's a fucking awesome story.
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