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Old May 25 2013, 01:32 PM   #886
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Have we ever had to versions of the same character in two different series close together like this.
X-Men itself had Beast briefly appear in X2. It had Dr. Moira Mactaggert have a cameo I believe in the first one. I don't think anyone got confused when they saw these characters in First Class.
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Old May 25 2013, 05:10 PM   #887
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Moira mark 2 isn't really Moira though is she? She has way more in common with Carol Danvers, who presumably they could not use because she's an Avenger, and the rest of her role seems to be a mish-mash of Gabrielle Haller. Further, McTaggert was Moira's married name - her maiden name was Kinross. They would have been better of using Gabrielle here to lead into using Legion later on.

Of course, given that Moira mark 1 was in her thirties, I suppose this Moira could be Joe McTaggert's sister and no relation to Moira Kinross at all. Moira is a popular name in the USA and Scotland after all. ;P
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Old May 25 2013, 05:26 PM   #888
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Dr. Moira Mactaggert have a cameo I believe in the first one.
That was in X3. And yeah...just like Emma Frost in XMO:W, her age cannot be reconciled with the First Class version.
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Old May 25 2013, 06:35 PM   #889
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Dr. Moira Mactaggert have a cameo I believe in the first one.
That was in X3, and her age cannot be reconciled with the First Class version.
Says who?

BTW, the Origins: Wolverine Emma was only ever identified as Emma Frost in promotional materials, and there really isn't anything to reconcile about her character with regards to FC Emma because the similarities are actually rather minimal.
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Old May 25 2013, 06:49 PM   #890
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Says who?
I dunno. Me, I guess? Rose played her in the 1960s at an early-30's age (Or 20s, if we're to be kind), and Olivia played her in post-2006 as late-30's.

I'm not saying there aren't excuses that can be made, I was just saying they don't match up as-is. The Emma thing, yeah it's easy to hand-wave it now, but who can be bothered anyway? XMO:W isn't worth worrying about.
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Old May 25 2013, 06:50 PM   #891
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Moira mark 2 isn't really Moira though is she? She has way more in common with Carol Danvers, who presumably they could not use because she's an Avenger, and the rest of her role seems to be a mish-mash of Gabrielle Haller. Further, McTaggert was Moira's married name - her maiden name was Kinross. They would have been better of using Gabrielle here to lead into using Legion later on.

Of course, given that Moira mark 1 was in her thirties, I suppose this Moira could be Joe McTaggert's sister and no relation to Moira Kinross at all. Moira is a popular name in the USA and Scotland after all. ;P



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Old May 25 2013, 07:16 PM   #892
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Says who?
I dunno. Me, I guess? Rose played her in the 1960s at an early-30's age (Or 20s, if we're to be kind), and Olivia played her in post-2006 as late-30's.
I'm not sure where you got the notion that TLS Moira was portrayed as being in her late 30s from, but whatever.

I honestly believe that there are people out there who like to exaggerate just how many issues and inconsistencies there are with regards to the various films in the X-Franchise simply for the sake of having something to complain about with regards to how FOX has handled said franchise.
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Old May 25 2013, 07:20 PM   #893
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I'm not sure where you got the notion that TLS Moira was portrayed as being in her late 30s from, but whatever.
Maybe from the fact that the actress who portrayed her was 37 years old when the movie came out?
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Old May 25 2013, 07:27 PM   #894
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^ That means absolutely nothing. Given what we know about the timeline of the franchise as per First Class, what we've been told about DoFP, and what we see in Origins: Wolverine (assuming that the latter isn't scrubbed from canon), Charles Xavier is pushing 70 years of age by the time of the events of the X-Trilogy, yet he's played by a man - Patrick Stewart - who, at the time of The Last Stand, was only in his mid-60s, so the age of an actor doesn't necessarily or even automatically conflate to the age of the actor playing said character.
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Old May 25 2013, 10:19 PM   #895
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Dr. Moira Mactaggert have a cameo I believe in the first one.
That was in X3, and her age cannot be reconciled with the First Class version.
Says who?

BTW, the Origins: Wolverine Emma was only ever identified as Emma Frost in promotional materials, and there really isn't anything to reconcile about her character with regards to FC Emma because the similarities are actually rather minimal.
I don't personally give a shit if it can be reconciled or not. My only point was that it didn't confuse the audience when there was a cameo in one movie and a different actor in another. I'm not about to get into the weeds here reconciling things for movies that already happened when we're talking about a movie yet to come.
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Old May 26 2013, 04:46 AM   #896
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Patrick Stewart - who, at the time of The Last Stand, was only in his mid-60s, so the age of an actor doesn't necessarily or even automatically conflate to the age of the actor playing said character.
That's true, of course. But it's pretty obvious that Olivia Williams was not supposed to be playing a 70 year-old Moira.

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Old May 26 2013, 04:56 AM   #897
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That's true, of course. But it's pretty obvious that Olivia Williams was not supposed to be playing a 70 year-old Moira.
I don't think it's quite as black-and-white that Olivia Williams' Moira can't be the same person as Rose Byrne's Moira - mainly because I personally know some people who are getting up there in years but still look incredibly young (my mom, for example, looks much younger than she actually is) - but there's not really much to be gained by arguing about this issue.

Edit: BTW, after seeing the image of Rose Byrne side by side with the image of Olivia Williams, I actually think there's a very strong case to be made for the latter being the former's daughter, as there's a very striking physical similarity between them.
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Old May 26 2013, 05:56 AM   #898
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but there's not really much to be gained by arguing about this issue.
Then why did you? I only mentioned that the two versions were not congruous, and you took exception.
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Old May 26 2013, 06:19 AM   #899
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^ I wasn't arguing with you; I asked you a legitimate question regarding what you said. I don't believe that there's no possible way that Rose Byrne's Moira can be the same person as Olivia Williams' Moira, but I'm not going to continue belaboring that point because it's ultimately not worth starting an actual argument over.
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The Mother daughter relationship was my first thought for any easy explanation when I saw this debate yesterday.

Its unlikely but I would like to see that original X-men films take place earlier than they were made. In their universe technology advanced at a much fast pace. Which would be consistent with how tech is portrayed in superhero comics in general. I think this would solve some of the issues of ages. I would place them in the late 80s early 90s.
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