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Old May 23 2013, 11:01 PM   #16
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Re: who said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"?

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It is feasible for two completely separate cultures to create the same aphorism, no?
About Nixon and China? I doubt it. But I guess it depends on how you translate it -- whether you render it verbatim or substitute an existing saying from your own language that conveys the same idea. (In one of my Trek novels, I posited that the original version of the Vulcan proverb was "Only Soval could go to Andoria.")


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It really does seem that while the idea/concept stated by this phrase was old, the exact wording of it is straight up a creation of Wrath of Khan.
I think the phrase "the good of the many" has been around for a long time; the line in TWOK was essentially a variation on it. (And I think the novelization of TWOK did use "good" in place of "needs.")
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Old May 24 2013, 07:48 PM   #17
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Re: who said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"?

Vulcans would have extensively studied Earthican history before creating the federation, and could have come up with the Nixon thing to try to explain certain concepts to the dumb humans.
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^Except that, of course, "Only Nixon could go to China" is a pre-existing Earth saying in real life. It's a paraphrase of a comment made by Senate Democratic leader Mike Mansfield about Nixon's upcoming trip to the People's Republic of China in 1971: "Only a Republican, perhaps only a Nixon, could have made this break and gotten away with it."
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Old May 25 2013, 03:43 PM   #19
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Re: who said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"?

I always just assumed Spock was being a bit wry . . . .

Of course it's not literally an old Vulcan saying.
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