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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.25%
A 161 21.52%
A- 101 13.50%
B+ 83 11.10%
B 58 7.75%
B- 27 3.61%
C+ 40 5.35%
C 38 5.08%
C- 25 3.34%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 37 4.95%
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Old May 25 2013, 07:12 AM   #3616
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

After watching the Red Letter Media review, I enjoyed their discussion. I still greatly enjoyed the movie though, and somehow enjoyed their review. Unlike the bickering that is going on in their comments section for that review.

I enjoy that things are a lot more civil here than elsewhere about these subjects (comics, sci-fi, super hero movies, etc).

As far as their discussions on "needless" fan service: I enjoy the nods. To the casual movie-goer, they don't register as such. But if you are a long time fan, they are there for our "enjoyment". Section 31? That's fun to hear, didn't mean a damn to the people I went with who didn't know it's history, they just went along with "secret organization". Such references did not take them out of the story. Tribbles and old starship models and mentions of "Mudd' are fine.

Now, is the inclusion of Harrison "fan service"? That is a debatable point. In this case, does the weight of his identity carry over if you don't know the history? I say no, but if a casual Trek fan is going to know any bad guy, Khan would be the one. However, for younger and/or less informed people watching this movie, I don't think enough background was given on what Khan was or what he and his crew represented. In this case, JJ was wrong, you did need to know Trek to fully "appreciate" the inclusion.
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Old May 25 2013, 07:30 AM   #3617
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I think it would have been better for JJ Abrams and his staff to write a story with an original villain in the Star Trek mythos. This "fan service" backfired: most people wouldn't catch the references who weren't familiar with the mythos and, for some of those who were familiar, these references reminded them, what was for them, of a better film.

And, I keep harping on this. This is the third film in a row with a revenge seeking character. I think it would have been better if there was a different type of character.
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Old May 25 2013, 07:31 AM   #3618
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Thank you for your detailed rebuttal to my review. I am honored that someone would not only take the time to read it but to put more effort into the reply than my original review. You kinda convinced me to your way of thinking and that maybe I remembered the movie wrong.

But I still say --

The colors are mostly all unnatural.

The score was forgettable (everyone can hum starwars, raiders and even the star trek tv shows music).

The new Enterprise set looks too clinical.

The Kirk/Spock goodbye scene was way way too corny.

McCoy said, "I'm a doctor not an Engineer" too many times. I thought he said it three times in the movie. If not then maybe the way it was used made it feel that it was too much.

And the new transporter effect was too drasticly changed. The changes seen in the other movies were okay because technology advanced. This movie is still in the days of young Kirk and Spock.
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Old May 25 2013, 07:39 AM   #3619
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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After watching the Red Letter Media review, I enjoyed their discussion. I still greatly enjoyed the movie though, and somehow enjoyed their review. Unlike the bickering that is going on in their comments section for that review.

I enjoy that things are a lot more civil here than elsewhere about these subjects (comics, sci-fi, super hero movies, etc).

As far as their discussions on "needless" fan service: I enjoy the nods. To the casual movie-goer, they don't register as such. But if you are a long time fan, they are there for our "enjoyment". Section 31? That's fun to hear, didn't mean a damn to the people I went with who didn't know it's history, they just went along with "secret organization". Such references did not take them out of the story. Tribbles and old starship models and mentions of "Mudd' are fine.

Now, is the inclusion of Harrison "fan service"? That is a debatable point. In this case, does the weight of his identity carry over if you don't know the history? I say no, but if a casual Trek fan is going to know any bad guy, Khan would be the one. However, for younger and/or less informed people watching this movie, I don't think enough background was given on what Khan was or what he and his crew represented. In this case, JJ was wrong, you did need to know Trek to fully "appreciate" the inclusion.
I agree with you.
My husband who knows a little bit about TOS couldn't remember who Khan was from TWOK. I don't think he'd match up Montalban with Cumberbatch. He asked me why he was so powerful. How come he could beat up Spock? Was he alien or something?
Like your friends he was OK with everything else.

And my family were humming the 'forgetable' theme after the movie waiting for the car
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Old May 25 2013, 07:50 AM   #3620
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Honestly, I'm only 15 minutes in and it's an unusually flawed review.

Mike is unusually quiet and Rich kinda defends it, but Rich just seems to be ripping into it but gave a pass on a bunch of other shit movies.

Finished.

What an awful review, seriously. You can sum it up with "It's not Star Trek TNG".

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Old May 25 2013, 08:46 AM   #3621
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I saw the film again today. My only real gripe with the film the first time around was Kirk's death scene aping WoK, and while I still don't think it was a good idea, it wasn't quite so distracting. Knowing what was coming, I didn't have the thought process of "Surely they won't do this...oh no, they can't be doing this..." taking me out of the film completely.

Decent turnout for a film in its 3rd week of screening too.
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Old May 25 2013, 09:30 AM   #3622
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In this case, JJ was wrong, you did need to know Trek to fully "appreciate" the inclusion.
I'm being approached by friends who know I'm a diehard fan, and they want to tell me their thoughts on STiD. They've only seen ST (2009) and now STiD, had scant knowledge of who Khan was, but still loved the new movie! Had they been confused, I'd agree with your assertion. But they had no questions about Khan or his motivations.
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Old May 25 2013, 09:44 AM   #3623
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To fully appreciate the movie, you did need knowledge of the franchise. The keyword is fully, every person I've seen it with had either a passing knowledge of no knowledge but still greatly enjoyed it. However if you knew who S31 was, knew who Khan was, knew the show in general it is going to be more enjoyable. Nothing wrong with that, I know Batman fans who enjoyed Begins far more than me as they had read the comics.
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Old May 25 2013, 09:57 AM   #3624
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To fully appreciate the movie, you did need knowledge of the franchise.
Isn't that a given? Isn't that what we want? New fans keen to learn what they'd missed?

I spent years tracking down all the TOS and TAS episodes, plus comics and novels after becoming a Trek fan because of TMP.
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Old May 25 2013, 10:14 AM   #3625
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Worse joke ever.

Not possible, as it contains no reference to lens flares.
Speaking of... call me crazy, but I absolutely don't mind the lens flares.
They're way better in 3D! Actually I didn't really notice them all that much in the movie.
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Old May 25 2013, 10:16 AM   #3626
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To fully appreciate the movie, you did need knowledge of the franchise.
Isn't that a given? Isn't that what we want? New fans keen to learn what they'd missed?

I spent years tracking down all the TOS and TAS episoes, plus comics and novels after becoming a Trek fan because of TMP.
Both Abrams movies hit the right balance, you don't need to but if you do then you get a lot more out of it. Honestly, this movie had everything I could possibly want from a Trek movie.
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Old May 25 2013, 10:28 AM   #3627
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To fully appreciate the movie, you did need knowledge of the franchise.
Isn't that a given? Isn't that what we want? New fans keen to learn what they'd missed?

I spent years tracking down all the TOS and TAS episoes, plus comics and novels after becoming a Trek fan because of TMP.
I got into Star Trek by reading Peter David's epic novel Q-Squared.

I didn't pick up a quarter of the references when I first read it, but it made me track down episodes featuring Q, Guinan and Trelane.

From there, I not only appreciated the book a great deal more, but I was also drawn into Star Trek as a whole.

One can only hope that some out there have a similar reaction to this film.
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Old May 25 2013, 10:37 AM   #3628
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I also like the idea of a new generation of people discovering Trek, which is why I want to see these movies keep going.
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Old May 25 2013, 10:41 AM   #3629
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McCoy said, "I'm a doctor not an Engineer" too many times. I thought he said it three times in the movie. If not then maybe the way it was used made it feel that it was too much.
Are you joking ? We've already corrected this.

And the new transporter effect was too drasticly changed. The changes seen in the other movies were okay because technology advanced. This movie is still in the days of young Kirk and Spock.
Still joking, right ?

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They're way better in 3D! Actually I didn't really notice them all that much in the movie.
3D, however, I despise.
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Old May 25 2013, 10:54 AM   #3630
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The colors are mostly all unnatural.
No.

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The score was forgettable (everyone can hum starwars, raiders and even the star trek tv shows music).
I'm humming "Enterprising Young Men" right now.

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The new Enterprise set looks too clinical.
As opposed to what? A house in the English countryside?

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The Kirk/Spock goodbye scene was way way too corny.
It wasn't.

ryng12345 wrote: View Post
McCoy said, "I'm a doctor not an Engineer" too many times. I thought he said it three times in the movie. If not then maybe the way it was used made it feel that it was too much.
Utter nonsense.

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And the new transporter effect was too drasticly changed. The changes seen in the other movies were okay because technology advanced. This movie is still in the days of young Kirk and Spock.
I don't like the new warp-jump-effect in STID.
You can't like everything.
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