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Old May 25 2013, 12:04 AM   #1066
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I think there is going to be a 4th movie too. But I am really concerned about the 5th one.
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Old May 25 2013, 12:05 AM   #1067
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Yet it made as much as Star Trek 2009. One was a considered a success the other a flop. So can you really gather anything substantial from out-of-context numbers?
One was a succes and the other underperformed (I wouldn't say outright flop) to a degree that it didn't get a sequel because of their respective budget levels. Both are part of the broad rule of thumb of the kind of return on a production budget that studios are happy with. If Superman Returns had a budget of $150 million it would have got a sequel.
But we state that one clicked with audiences and the other didn't, yet they pulled in roughly the same cash. So this wasn't about audiences rejecting the film, it was about Hollywood excess.
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Old May 25 2013, 12:08 AM   #1068
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Yet it made as much as Star Trek 2009. One was a considered a success the other a flop. So can you really gather anything substantial from out-of-context numbers?
One was a succes and the other underperformed (I wouldn't say outright flopped) to a degree that it didn't get a sequel because of their respective budget levels. Both are part of the broad rule of thumb of the kind of return on a production budget that studios are happy with. If Superman Returns had a budget of $150 million it would have got a sequel.
Doubtful.

If box office returns were the only requirements for a sequel we'd have seen a third Fantastic Four movie years ago.
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Old May 25 2013, 12:08 AM   #1069
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But we state that one clicked with audiences and the other didn't, yet they pulled in roughly the same cash. So this wasn't about audiences rejecting the film, it was about Hollywood excess.
That's true to a degree, although some films need huge budgets to tell stories on a grand scale. The bigger the budget the more widely a film needs to click with audiences.

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If box office returns were the only requirements for a sequel we'd have seen a third Fantastic Four movie years ago.
Fantastic Four made 3.3X its production budget, a very strong return and a level that almost always sees a direct sequel made very quickly. Fantastic Four 2 made 2.2X its production budget, a mediocre return (given the split in box office between the studio and the theatres) that puts a film in a grey area where a sequel may or may not be made. In this case it wasn't made, with the studio opting for a reboot after the passage of some years instead.
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Old May 25 2013, 12:13 AM   #1070
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I think there is going to be a 4th movie too. But I am really concerned about the 5th one.
Oh I don't think there will be too much trouble getting the 4th and 5th one made, my major concern is when we get to the 7th or 8th we might start suffering from franchise fatigue again which means the 9th will have to be the 3rd reboot and they will end up bringing back Khan again, this time as a black woman.
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Old May 25 2013, 12:41 AM   #1071
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and they will end up bringing back Khan again, this time as a black woman.

So that's how Tyler Perry will return to Star Trek.
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Old May 25 2013, 12:43 AM   #1072
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and they will end up bringing back Khan again, this time as a black woman.

So that's how Tyler Perry will return to Star Trek.
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Old May 25 2013, 12:50 AM   #1073
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Old May 25 2013, 01:34 AM   #1074
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There's a LOT of bitchy, whiny Trek 'fans' on social media, and IMDb complaining about this movie. It seems the more civil fans tend to congregate on here.

The haters are probably a minority, and they still paid their money to go to the cinema, and see the film. But boy, are they loud.
Don't go to IMDB for movie discussion
Amen! And while we're at it, I avoid the AICN talkbacks too... It's soooo negative...
IMDBs Into Darkness page is flooded with trolls claiming this movie is a massive FLOP. Depressing reading
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Old May 25 2013, 01:36 AM   #1075
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Don't go to IMDB for movie discussion
Amen! And while we're at it, I avoid the AICN talkbacks too... It's soooo negative...
IMDBs Into Darkness page is flooded with trolls claiming this movie is a massive FLOP. Depressing reading
"Flooded" relative to what? Everyday folks don't buy into that nonsense...
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Old May 25 2013, 01:41 AM   #1076
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The internet is full of people wanting something somewhere to fail so they can point and say 'HAHA I TOLD YOU SO'

Its sad really.

Star Trek ID is a disappointment relative to over inflated guestimates by box office followers, nothing more.
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Old May 25 2013, 01:49 AM   #1077
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IMDBs Into Darkness page is flooded with trolls claiming this movie is a massive FLOP. Depressing reading
So why are you reading it?
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Old May 25 2013, 02:07 AM   #1078
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Don't know, really. I should come here instead, for more civilised Star Trek related discourse
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Old May 25 2013, 02:36 AM   #1079
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Old May 25 2013, 03:12 AM   #1080
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From Box Office Guru on Twitter:

#StarTrek falling by about 58% from last FRI to roughly $9M w/ heavy competition for males. $37M-ish 4day, $145M cume.
I think he's being a little pessimistic in the 4-day projection. If $9 million is accurate as the Friday number I think the 4-day will be $40-41 million. Hopefully there's a later adjustment up to the Friday figure which would open the door to a bigger weekend.
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