RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 135,857
Posts: 5,221,401
Members: 24,232
Currently online: 514
Newest member: glasssplashback

TrekToday headlines

Takei To Receive Award
By: T'Bonz on Apr 23

Yelchin In New Comedy
By: T'Bonz on Apr 23

U.S. Rights For Pegg Comedy Secured
By: T'Bonz on Apr 23

Shatner: Aging and Work
By: T'Bonz on Apr 23

Kurtzman And Orci Go Solo
By: T'Bonz on Apr 22

Star Trek #32 Preview
By: T'Bonz on Apr 22

Voyager Bridge Via The Oculus Rift
By: T'Bonz on Apr 21

Miles Away Glyph Award Nominations
By: T'Bonz on Apr 21

Q Meets NuTrek Crew
By: T'Bonz on Apr 18

Pine In Talks For Drama
By: T'Bonz on Apr 18


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies XI+

Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old May 24 2013, 12:23 AM   #151
cooleddie74
Fleet Admiral
 
cooleddie74's Avatar
 
Location: The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
View cooleddie74's Twitter Profile
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

I have to admit, the 2009 design that was kept under the helmets and never seen was a little better. That said, both are great tributes to and interpretations of the look we've been used to since 1979 and I'd have enjoyed seeing either one in the newest film.
__________________
Human instinct is pretty strong. You can't expect us to change overnight.

-Captain Jonathan Archer, 2151
cooleddie74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 24 2013, 11:06 PM   #152
Hober Mallow
Commodore
 
Location: The planet Terminus, site of the Encyclopedia Foundation on the periphery of the galaxy
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

Awesome Possum wrote: View Post
A lot of Trek fans really need to drop the idea that Star Trek is anything more than entertainment with a message. It doesn't matter that the new Enterprise doesn't look like the original Enterprise because the Enterprise isn't real. It's a plot device that carries the characters to an adventure.
I came to understand how ridiculous canon vs. non-canon arguments were when I realized it was a question of "real fiction" vs. "fake fiction."
__________________
"Beep... beep!" --Captain Pike
Hober Mallow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 24 2013, 11:33 PM   #153
Set Harth
Rear Admiral
 
Set Harth's Avatar
 
Location: Gallifrey Falls
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

cooleddie74 wrote:
That way J.J. honors continuity but doesn't step in a huge nerd minefield by changing some detail about Khan's age, the wars or his ship.
Just his race.
__________________
"In the future... do I make it?"
"No."
Set Harth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 24 2013, 11:37 PM   #154
King Daniel Into Darkness
Admiral
 
King Daniel Into Darkness's Avatar
 
Location: England again
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

Which is IMO preferable to having an Indian or Middle Eastern -looking guy playing the crazy space terrorist.
__________________
Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3
King Daniel Into Darkness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25 2013, 12:14 AM   #155
Set Harth
Rear Admiral
 
Set Harth's Avatar
 
Location: Gallifrey Falls
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

So they Mandarin'ed the guy? Nice.
__________________
"In the future... do I make it?"
"No."
Set Harth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25 2013, 12:17 AM   #156
BillJ
Admiral
 
Location: In the 23rd Century...
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
Which is IMO preferable to having an Indian or Middle Eastern -looking guy playing the crazy space terrorist.
I think this may have actually played into casting Cumberbatch. First time around they were really vague on what Khan had done during the Eugenics Wars. In this film, we see Khan initiate a brutal terrorist attack, gun down military officers and be downright brutal on the Vengeance.

Maybe they thought the outcry from Trek fans would be far preferable than the outcry from Middle Eastern communities?
__________________
I'm not popular enough to be different! - Homer Simpson
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25 2013, 12:18 AM   #157
BillJ
Admiral
 
Location: In the 23rd Century...
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

Set Harth wrote: View Post
So they Mandarin'ed the guy? Nice.
I do wonder why it was so important that Cumberbatch be Khan when they practically ignored it in the advertising for the film?
__________________
I'm not popular enough to be different! - Homer Simpson
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25 2013, 12:21 AM   #158
Set Harth
Rear Admiral
 
Set Harth's Avatar
 
Location: Gallifrey Falls
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

BillJ wrote: View Post
Maybe they thought the outcry from Trek fans would be far preferable than the outcry from Middle Eastern communities?
Yeah, the only thing Trek fans are liable to blow up is the comments section of a blog post...
__________________
"In the future... do I make it?"
"No."
Set Harth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25 2013, 12:23 AM   #159
BillJ
Admiral
 
Location: In the 23rd Century...
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

Set Harth wrote: View Post
BillJ wrote: View Post
Maybe they thought the outcry from Trek fans would be far preferable than the outcry from Middle Eastern communities?
Yeah, the only thing Trek fans are liable to blow up is the comments section of a blog post...
Not about blowing things up, it's about possibly offending hundreds of millions of people when they feel like they're being stereotyped in Hollywood movies.
__________________
I'm not popular enough to be different! - Homer Simpson
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25 2013, 12:27 AM   #160
Hartzilla2007
Vice Admiral
 
Hartzilla2007's Avatar
 
Location: Star Trekkin Across the universe.
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

BillJ wrote: View Post
Set Harth wrote: View Post
So they Mandarin'ed the guy? Nice.
I do wonder why it was so important that Cumberbatch be Khan when they practically ignored it in the advertising for the film?
Because nobody gives a crap about genetically engineered Star Trek badguys who aren't Khan.
Hartzilla2007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25 2013, 12:29 AM   #161
BillJ
Admiral
 
Location: In the 23rd Century...
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

Hartzilla2007 wrote: View Post
BillJ wrote: View Post
Set Harth wrote: View Post
So they Mandarin'ed the guy? Nice.
I do wonder why it was so important that Cumberbatch be Khan when they practically ignored it in the advertising for the film?
Because nobody gives a crap about genetically engineered Star Trek badguys who aren't Khan.
Well, that was kind of my point. You use Trek's most well known villain and yet there is absolutely no advertising built around it. Cumberbatch may as well have been John Harrison as far as general audiences were concerned.
__________________
I'm not popular enough to be different! - Homer Simpson
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25 2013, 12:21 PM   #162
Australis
Writer
 
Australis's Avatar
 
Location: The Electric Age
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

Here's my answer to the Khan race thing, spread it around if you like it.

Genetics. What a random chance they are! Every birth, every person, is the result of complete chance. Look at your own family - the same parents, yet you and your siblings look different, act different, have different genders. And it's quite conceivable (no pun intended) that in alternate universes, even with your same parents and your same moment of conception, that other you is different.

Okay. Now, consider people that were setting themselves up to be genetic supermen. They are fiddling with genes and eggs and sperm, to improve the human species far beyond anything it currently is. Now combine the chances of conception with full on human intervention, and keeping the mind they are blending the bext genes of humanity... he could have been anything. In the prime universe he was uh, Mexican of Indian descent. In the JJverse, he's Caucasian of Indian descent. In the next universe over, he's he's Khan Inayat Singh, an Eskimo of Indian descent.

You're welcome.
__________________
"… Times change, and so must I… we all change. When you think about it, we are all different people, all through our lives and that’s okay, that’s good! You've gotta keep moving, so long as you remember all the people that you used to be."
Australis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25 2013, 02:18 PM   #163
BillJ
Admiral
 
Location: In the 23rd Century...
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...eview&id=16635

When I read that nine-page preview, am I the only one that feels like...

__________________
I'm not popular enough to be different! - Homer Simpson
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 26 2013, 12:07 AM   #164
Set Harth
Rear Admiral
 
Set Harth's Avatar
 
Location: Gallifrey Falls
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

Australis wrote: View Post
Here's my answer to the Khan race thing, spread it around if you like it.

Genetics. What a random chance they are! Every birth, every person, is the result of complete chance. Look at your own family - the same parents, yet you and your siblings look different, act different, have different genders. And it's quite conceivable (no pun intended) that in alternate universes, even with your same parents and your same moment of conception, that other you is different.

Okay. Now, consider people that were setting themselves up to be genetic supermen. They are fiddling with genes and eggs and sperm, to improve the human species far beyond anything it currently is. Now combine the chances of conception with full on human intervention, and keeping the mind they are blending the bext genes of humanity... he could have been anything. In the prime universe he was uh, Mexican of Indian descent. In the JJverse, he's Caucasian of Indian descent. In the next universe over, he's he's Khan Inayat Singh, an Eskimo of Indian descent.

You're welcome.
Here's the problem: the Abramsverse was supposed to be the same as the Prime timeline before Nero's arrival in 2233. This would include Khan's genetic makeup.
__________________
"In the future... do I make it?"
"No."
Set Harth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 26 2013, 12:08 AM   #165
cooleddie74
Fleet Admiral
 
cooleddie74's Avatar
 
Location: The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
View cooleddie74's Twitter Profile
Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

I liked the time gap at the end. Made things a little more believable.
__________________
Human instinct is pretty strong. You can't expect us to change overnight.

-Captain Jonathan Archer, 2151
cooleddie74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:24 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.