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Old May 24 2013, 05:17 PM   #76
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Eh, no, please. I can't stand the Borg anymore. I've been Borg'd to death. I'd like to see either a completely new antagonist, or a mysterious "thing" that must be explored to be understood. Either way, no Borg. Please.
The Borg were so cool until the cliffhanger of Best of Both Worlds. Then they became progressively stupider.

I'm torn on this issue. On the one hand I want new stuff, not retreading old ground, but on the other, IF they do it correctly and the Borg were done right, I could like it.

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For Star Trek 3 I would like to see the crew exploring the frontier, visiting a strange new world.
I wish. I wish we'd have a movie without a villain, for once. You don't need a villain to make a good story. The only Trek movies without a villain are TMP and TVH.

I could be sold on the Doomsday Machine, however. Maybe we could meet Commodore Decker again.

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Despite the ending to STID, I think it will all boil down to another bad guy who wants to attack Earth again. They do want to have Earth be the stomping ground for "their" Star Trek after all.

I do admit that they spend a whole lot of time near Earth recently, but then look at the movies:


TMP: Earth threatened
TWOK: Starts at Earth
TSFS: They go back to Earth, then back to Genesis
TVH: Earth threatened
TFF: Starts at Earth
TUC: Starts at Earth
FC: Earth threatened
NEM: Shinzon plans to destroy Earth
ST09: Earth threatened
ID: Earth Threatened


Only Generations (minus the 1701-B bit) and Insurrection have nothing to do with Earth. It's a slightly annoying pattern considering how little we see the homeworld in the series.
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Old May 24 2013, 05:23 PM   #77
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Assuming we have the same writers I think the next movie will feature the opening act being the Enterprise exploring a strange new world and completing a mission, similar to the opening of STID.

After the opening act we will see some big Klingon shit going down against some key Federation target, a space station or fleet battle.

The Enterprise is then despatched to help because fortunately it was on its way back to the core of the Federation anyway for some repairs.

During the course of the movie we find Khan is assisting the Klingons after being broken out of his 'prison' at some point because the Klingons want his help to capture the Genesis device or something. The Klingon dude will be called Kruge or Chang. The Enterprise will be destroyed using its self destruct sequence at some point.
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Old May 24 2013, 05:31 PM   #78
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I was wondering in the first movie what the hell the bulk of Federation fleet was doing in the Laurentian system. That was never explained.
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Old May 24 2013, 06:13 PM   #79
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Probably staring down the Klinks? Not sure if it could be the Romulans since we know nothing about the Romulans in this timeframe other than they got a hold of some Narada technology.

One of the novels did have a borg-esque antagonist killing people, taking samples, talking about species xyz123 and talking of "assimilation", ultimately being a cloud of nanites. I found myself groaning.

I want to see them re-treading old ground from the original series because, again, It feels like all that was abandoned when next generation came out. I want the Tholians and Gorn back as main antagonists alongside the Romulans and Klingons. I want to see new takes on some of the bizarre aliens and things seen in the original (The Talosians, the Vians, the Doomsday machine, The lights from Zetar, the Horta, Nomad, and so on).

Alice Eve mentioned Charlie X, but I'm not sure if I would want to see that. Mostly because I'd rather see them doing other things.

I think one of the motives of the next movie would be the consequences of the destruction of Vulcan? It was something left hanging. My guess though would be on going back to the impending conflict with the Klingons, since it's going to happen whether Starfleet prepares for it or not.
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Old May 24 2013, 06:29 PM   #80
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You don't need a villain to make a good story.
You pretty much do, to make a summer blockbuster.

They can launch into a war between the Feds and the Klingons, and have them forced to join forces to repel the Borg. Why not?
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Old May 24 2013, 07:19 PM   #81
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Old May 24 2013, 07:26 PM   #82
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Spock and Kirk quit Starfleet to start a joint cupcake business. There will be many scenes with them throwing flour at each other while giggling and you won't believe the stand mixer pranks! Hilarity will abound! Tension rises when Khan moves to town with his "super secret choco-latta" recipe, and only the Enterprise's former crew can save them at the Intergalactic cupcake competition, when Scottie reveals his masterpiece- The Haggis Cupcake! Come for the thrills, the spills, the excitement, and the drama in "Star Trek: The Undiscovered Recipe".
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Old May 24 2013, 07:45 PM   #83
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How about mirror mirror Evil kirk and crew fighting the crew of nutrek , Kirk vs kirk ,enterprise fighting enterprise .Or they could create a new race new story one we never seen in tos but heard of ?
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Old May 24 2013, 08:05 PM   #84
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Really, I just want to see what life is like on the New Enterprise. What the quarters look like, the mess hall, etc- which I think we'll see if we get a movie during the 5-year mission.
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Old May 24 2013, 08:08 PM   #85
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Whatever the third movie will be, the bar has been set pretty high by the first two.

Of course they can and will do what they want, but I don't see how they can follow up STID with more phasers, torpedoes, and destruction against the Klingons, Khan redux, or whomever given the openly anti-militarisitic tone of STID. Besides, it's not what Scotty signed up for.

Further, STID ended with Kirk reminding everyone of the purpose of the Enterprise's five year mission and what Starfleet stands for in general.

When we catch up with them again, they'll be somewhere in deep space on that mission, so maybe this will be the "we're explorers" movie. I'd like it if the conflict revolved around something new that's not necessarily flesh and blood, deliberately antagonistic, evil, or has it in for the Federation.

Whatever they're doing, I hope we finally get to see them fully developed and hitting on all cylinders. As well as those actors fill the roles, that would be exciting.
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Old May 24 2013, 08:44 PM   #86
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Given the market they're making this for, there really has to be an action sequence every ten to fifteen minutes.
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Old May 24 2013, 09:25 PM   #87
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Given the market they're making this for, there really has to be an action sequence every ten to fifteen minutes.
To be sure. I'm not saying remake something like TMP (God, no). The problem is also Cumberbatch was too good (a nice problem, but still). If it's not Khan again, can they come up with someone who can ably follow Cumberbatch's peformance without the "he's no Khan" comparisons? That might also be a reason to think of a more imaginative direction to go in other than Kor or a brilliant mad scientist or a disgruntled captain. But if they can't, I'll take Kirk v. Kor.
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Old May 24 2013, 10:25 PM   #88
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I think I would like to see something original for the next movie. I would like a lighter movie (i.e. Star Trek IV) and not with a heavy villain. I'm not sure we will that again since Abrams has attracted newer fans with constant action. It could have a strong story and action but not the Enterprise blowing up or Earth about to be destroyed.

If they intend to use Trek lore, then have Kirk encounter the Borg. I always wander how Kirk would have handled them. Maybe since Nero's ship had borg tech, the borg detected it and are now heading towards the federation.
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It was a year between the Kronos incident and the end of the movie. If the Klingons hadn't started a war in that time, the incident was likely taken care of through backdoor diplomatic channels.
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