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Old May 24 2013, 06:41 AM   #46
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Re: Was there a TMP Enterprise outrage ?

It was the Opel, somebody suggested that and it clicked for me so I acknowledged it upthread. The kid was driving it in 1978 & 79, so maybe it was a used model from the early 70s?
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Old May 24 2013, 07:04 AM   #47
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Pick up a copy of The Best of Trek #3 on Amazon and see for yourself. "Change for the sake of change" is a recurring complaint, and the article calling the new-look Klingons "spine-headed munchkins" is hilarious.
I understand fans' problems with the TMP Klingons even less than I understand their issues with the refit Enterprise.

The new Klingons in TMP were scary, in contrast to the nearly laughable types of TOS that owed more than a little to the Emperor Ming.

Granted, TMP made them so by using fairly straightforward tropes, such as red lighting, smoke, makeup, fangs, guttural speech, etc. But it worked: they seemed much more threatening than before. More animalistic. Too bad later Trek rendered them all but ineffectual in hand to hand with our beloved protagonists.

(Frankly, I never saw the need to "explain" the "discrepancy" of their TMP appearance with TOS by the augment virus, either, but that's another story.... Fans can be such literalists!)
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Old May 24 2013, 07:52 AM   #48
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This question is for the old timers.

We've all seen the... rather heated comments about the design of Enterprise for the 2009 movie, so I was wondering if something similar happened in '79 when TMP came out and the now-classic redesign was made.

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I don't think so. The bigger problem was the film being a rehash of The Changeling and Nomad with a bit of The Immunity Syndrome with the scale of the cloud and the endless fly through.
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Old May 24 2013, 11:55 AM   #49
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Re: Was there a TMP Enterprise outrage ?

Someone made a fan design for 1701 based on the Planet of the Titans reimagining of the Enterprise by Ken Adam. I wonder how fans would have reacted if the "refit" had looked like this:

http://www.galacticempire.org/2011/0...of-titans.html
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Old May 24 2013, 12:01 PM   #50
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Someone made a fan design for 1701 based on the Planet of the Titans reimagining of the Enterprise by Ken Adam. I wonder how fans would have reacted if the "refit" had looked like this:

http://www.galacticempire.org/2011/0...of-titans.html
The words "shit a brick" come to mind.
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Old May 24 2013, 12:36 PM   #51
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I think I would've been okay with it. Except that square thing protuding from above the deflector.
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Old May 24 2013, 01:01 PM   #52
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It was the Opel, somebody suggested that and it clicked for me so I acknowledged it upthread. The kid was driving it in 1978 & 79, so maybe it was a used model from the early 70s?
Yeah, sorry, I skipped over your earlier post.

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. . . My boss' kid had one of those things, and every time he tried one of those 'high&mighty' acts at work because he could get away with it, I'd tell him somebody stole the back half of his car.
Naaah, I just don't see it.

Now, THIS looks like a car with the back half missing.

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Old May 24 2013, 03:05 PM   #53
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Someone made a fan design for 1701 based on the Planet of the Titans reimagining of the Enterprise by Ken Adam. I wonder how fans would have reacted if the "refit" had looked like this:

http://www.galacticempire.org/2011/0...of-titans.html
The words "shit a brick" come to mind.
The words " Star Wars" comes to mind.
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Old May 24 2013, 03:30 PM   #54
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Someone made a fan design for 1701 based on the Planet of the Titans reimagining of the Enterprise by Ken Adam. I wonder how fans would have reacted if the "refit" had looked like this:

http://www.galacticempire.org/2011/0...of-titans.html
The words "shit a brick" come to mind.
The words " Star Wars" comes to mind.
Yeah, it's probably no accident that it looks a lot like a Star Destroyer with a saucer.
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Old May 24 2013, 04:33 PM   #55
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I think the original boxy design comes from before Star Wars. We're also talking about the same designer, here.
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Old May 24 2013, 05:09 PM   #56
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Actually, the design is postSW, but more importantly, it is McQ's version of Ken Adam's much cooler sleeker charcoal sketch. He really did SWize it.
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Old May 24 2013, 05:10 PM   #57
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It was the Opel, somebody suggested that and it clicked for me so I acknowledged it upthread. The kid was driving it in 1978 & 79, so maybe it was a used model from the early 70s?
Yeah, sorry, I skipped over your earlier post.

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. . . My boss' kid had one of those things, and every time he tried one of those 'high&mighty' acts at work because he could get away with it, I'd tell him somebody stole the back half of his car.
Naaah, I just don't see it.

Now, THIS looks like a car with the back half missing.

that looks like you could use it as a work bee if you took the wheels off, stuck waldoes on the back fender and dragged it backwards.
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Old May 24 2013, 05:32 PM   #58
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Someone made a fan design for 1701 based on the Planet of the Titans reimagining of the Enterprise by Ken Adam. I wonder how fans would have reacted if the "refit" had looked like this:

http://www.galacticempire.org/2011/0...of-titans.html
I think I would've been okay with it. Except that square thing protuding from above the deflector.
I assume that's meant to be the photon torpedo launcher. But what about those illuminated slots on the sides of the engineering hull? I keep thinking of shoving a CD in there.
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Hi,

This question is for the old timers.

We've all seen the... rather heated comments about the design of Enterprise for the 2009 movie, so I was wondering if something similar happened in '79 when TMP came out and the now-classic redesign was made.

Thanks,
Wes, there was. Stuff like:

"The new nacelles look like they where lifted from a Klingon Battle Cruiser."

"Why suddenly mount the photon torpedo launcher on the neck?"

"Why two Turbolifts to the Bridge now?"

"Why did they move the location of the science station?"

and more

All the above ending with the (now classic):

"THIS IS NOT TREK!" admonishment.
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Old May 24 2013, 06:08 PM   #60
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I assume that's meant to be the photon torpedo launcher.
No, I think the launcher is below the deflector.
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