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Old May 24 2013, 12:20 AM   #136
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

I would say he kept it in the mainstream. If Nu Trek wasn't a success, it would have been strike 3, and the studios might have given up on the franchise.

Abrams is on the record as saying he was never a fan of Trek. That would be all the more reason to study a bible, if just to avoid some crazy changes to a character.


Nu Trek is obviously a blockbuster movie--big explosions, nonstop actions etc. the somewhat silly gimmicks like the Spock and Uhura relationship, (my opinion) but it works--it's making money.

I still have a hard time with the Kirk going from cadet to captain in a few short minutes, and the Spok/Uhura thing, but the movie did put Trek back in the spotlight.

The thing is, if it keeps following the blockbuster formula, then the danger is that withing a few years there will be a reboot yet again--like Spiderman, Superman, Batman, ect.
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Old May 24 2013, 12:31 AM   #137
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

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Wow - could not disagree more with your assessment of why a creative person creates. From my experience (married to an artist, not a writer), a creative person creates because they have something inside them that needs expression. Maybe it's different for a creative person who is a writer, than for a creative person who is an artist.
This thread is moving pretty quickly so this might have already been adressed, but I'll bet most (all?) of the professional writers on this site would disagree too. Of course it's great to earn a living, but is that the initial concern? Is that what first motivates a creative person to create? I'm thinking . . . NO!
Self expression isn't entertaining?

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Old May 24 2013, 02:16 AM   #138
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

Love or hate the Abrams films, I definitely recommend the special features disc that came with the Blu-ray release of the first film.

Great stuff.
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Old May 24 2013, 02:47 AM   #139
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

I wasn't aware the franchise needed "saving" so to say. This is just the latest incarnation. I suspect after JJ's gone, there will be something else. Just the way it works.
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Old May 24 2013, 03:34 AM   #140
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It doesn't matter what flavor of cool aid you hawking... if you can't get butts in the seats (fans/movie goers/what ever) you're done.
Movie goers and "Star Trek fans" are overlapping sets but far from congruent. "The fans" haven't made the Abrams movies the successes that they are, and to some extent have impeded success. They sure as hell didn't "save the franchise" after TV Trek imploded, sorry.

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The thing is, if it keeps following the blockbuster formula, then the danger is that withing a few years there will be a reboot yet again--like Spiderman, Superman, Batman, ect.
Apparently some obscure meaning of the word "danger" that I was previously unfamiliar with.
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Old May 24 2013, 03:41 AM   #141
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Movie goers and "Star Trek fans" are overlapping sets but far from congruent. "The fans" haven't made the Abrams movies the successes that they are, and to some extent have impeded success. They sure as hell didn't "save the franchise" after TV Trek imploded, sorry.
Well, I'm not sure how much we've impeded success this time. I see lots of people around these parts who have went to Into Darkness multiple times. I know I've seen it three times and have bought six tickets total.
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Old May 24 2013, 03:42 AM   #142
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

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I wasn't aware the franchise needed "saving" so to say. This is just the latest incarnation. I suspect after JJ's gone, there will be something else. Just the way it works.
The Franchise had gone either very stale or dead. It did need to be brought back to life.

My opinion is that for those that dislike JJ Abrams if someone they liked had saved Star Trek they would be on here singing their praises.
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Old May 24 2013, 03:52 AM   #143
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Well, I'm not sure how much we've impeded success this time. I see lots of people around these parts who have went to Into Darkness multiple times.
Yeah, but the loud complaining and bitching about arcane continuity trivia that some do perpetuates the popular notion that Star Trek is somehow an enthusiasm for...someone most folks don't want to be. Or sit next to. The Onion knew their stuff.

And this week we can add "offended by good looking people in skimpy clothing" to the list of weird stereotypes
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Old May 24 2013, 03:57 AM   #144
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My opinion is that for those that dislike JJ Abrams if someone they liked had saved Star Trek they would be on here singing their praises.
Quite possibly. Can't really argue that...if I'd liked the direction the reboot went and its overall execution.

I've certainly made no secret of my dissatisfaction with how the product onscreen has evolved over the years. But even in disapproval I can't ignore it kept people talking, discussing, debating and even arguing. It kept us interested whether we agreed or not.

And through all of it I kept picking up stuff tied in to my preferred series be they video, books, magazines, soundtracks, models, whatever as well as creating and sharing my own stuff. I kept promoting and defending what I liked. And in that, in each our own way, we kept the interest and the franchise alive.
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Old May 24 2013, 04:02 AM   #145
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And this week we can add "offended by good looking people in skimpy clothing" to the list of weird stereotypes
There is no arguing this point.
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Old May 24 2013, 04:13 AM   #146
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I interpreted his comments to mean that if you study a past time period, you know all you need to about it. In my opinion, if you lived through it, you understand it better than someone who did not.
I "lived through it" from the beginning. NBC, 1966.

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If the 2009 film had bombed, I don't know when we'd have seen new Trek on TV.
Of course, we still don't.

quite right, I meant to write "on screen."
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Old May 24 2013, 04:14 AM   #147
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

Yes, I believe that, in the sense of reviving a stale and mostly dormant property, J.J. Abrams' efforts saved the franchise.

Also, regarding TOS deep intellectual introspection, I offer this:

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Old May 24 2013, 04:30 AM   #148
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Did Abrams save Star Trek from what? Was it in some kind of danger? Was al Qaeda involved?
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Old May 24 2013, 04:30 AM   #149
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Yes, I believe that, in the sense of reviving a stale and mostly dormant property, J.J. Abrams' efforts saved the franchise.

Also, regarding TOS deep intellectual introspection, I offer this:

This is disingenuous. No one said Star Trek and particularly TOS lacked or eschewed action/adventure.
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Old May 24 2013, 04:34 AM   #150
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Yes, I believe that, in the sense of reviving a stale and mostly dormant property, J.J. Abrams' efforts saved the franchise.

Also, regarding TOS deep intellectual introspection, I offer this:

This is disingenuous. No one said Star Trek and particularly TOS lacked or eschewed action/adventure.
Didn't say it lacked it, I'm just keeping it from being placed on this pedestal of philosophical wonderment that it neither deserves, and upon which it doesn't belong. As it gets older, the Original Series is quickly becoming Nichelle Nichols' Martin Luther King story.
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