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Old May 24 2013, 12:50 AM   #91
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Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.
Ones than can reach six feet in length from nose to tail? No.
One might even say that it is inconceivable!

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Old May 24 2013, 12:56 AM   #92
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Yeah, the last real-life rodent that was the size of a fictional Tatooine womp rat lived long ago and has long since gone extinct. But can you imagine if a six-foot-long rodent of that size existed today and the numbers of sport and food hunters who would track the things to the brink of nonexistence?
If it existed today, its existence wouldn't be seen as any more unusual than that of any other large surviving mammal, because we'd be used to having it around. And thus it follows that there could be regulations limiting how much it was hunted, although poachers might violate those regulations and endanger the species' survival just as they do with tigers, elephants, rhinos, and many others.


That's why it's probably for the best that dinosaurs of prehistoric scale have been gone for about 65 million years. Rednecks, poachers and sportsmen would shoot most of them dead for enormous trophies and bragging rights.
People still hunt dinosaurs all the time. We just call them birds these days.
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Old May 24 2013, 12:58 AM   #93
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That's why I said ones of "prehistoric scale."

I'm still surprised how many people don't know about the dinosaur-modern bird connections, but that's a topic for another thread in another forum.
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Old May 24 2013, 01:14 AM   #94
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That's why I said ones of "prehistoric scale."
Well, some modern ratites like cassowaries and ostriches are comparable in size to a troodon or deinonychus. And there were plenty of prehistoric dinosaurs that were no bigger than modern birds; we just don't know as much about the little ones as the big ones because smaller bones are less likely to survive long enough to be fossilized.
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Old May 24 2013, 07:11 PM   #95
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Thought you guys might like this.

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Old May 24 2013, 07:42 PM   #96
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^That's the most confusing flow chart I've ever seen. Not sure if that's a comment on the graphic design or the prequels' plotting.
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Old May 24 2013, 07:43 PM   #97
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I was actually thinking the same thing (regarding the Prequels' plots).
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Old May 24 2013, 07:50 PM   #98
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I think I was just going for a low blow there. Now that I think about it, I found the prequels' plotting of Palpatine's rise to be one of the more coherent and interesting things about them. But I can't make head nor tail of how I'm supposed to follow that chart.
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Old May 24 2013, 10:26 PM   #99
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is it public knowledge in the SW universe that Darth Vader == Anakin Skywalker? Did anyone beyond Obi-Wan and Yoda know and survive?
Bail knew.

That is, before he got blowed up real good.
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Actually, even though I and a whole lot of other fans have given the Prequels (especially Episode I) flak for their overly complicated and political storylines that could seem muddled at times I'm probably in the minority when I give Lucas credit for wanting to tackle the newer trilogy in a more sophisticated and textured manner, even if the results were often clinical and missed the dramatic target. While I think his execution was too dry and stodgy at times and removed a little too much of the adventure and thrill from Star Wars films, his very political and Machiavellian scripts for I, II and III are proof that the SW universe isn't really aimed at kids and youngsters as much as critics like to take pokes at Lucas for turning his universe into a colossal toy and merchandising empire that has even sold kid's toothpaste and Band-Aids. Only older, more worldly and sophisticated audiences can grasp a lot of the political maneuvering and backstabbing in the Prequels and I have to thank Lucas for making his universe more sophisticated (if perhaps less fun and exciting) in those films.

I do think the flow chart above is a bit overcomplicated and would confuse the living crap out of someone who isn't already intimately familiar with the Saga and Palpatine's rise to Emperor of that galaxy, but it sure beats a much simpler and less interesting diagram that's dumbed down for a much younger audience.
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Old May 25 2013, 01:08 AM   #101
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I do think the flow chart above is a bit overcomplicated and would confuse the living crap out of someone who isn't already intimately familiar with the Saga and Palpatine's rise to Emperor of that galaxy, but it sure beats a much simpler and less interesting diagram that's dumbed down for a much younger audience.
The fallacy there is that you're equating complexity with confusing design. It's possible for a well-designed diagram to convey complex information in a clear and cohesive way. This one does not. If anything, I'd say the problem is that it's too simple -- it lacks enough information to get things across clearly. For instance, in what order are we supposed to follow the symbols? What do the different colors and types of link represent? Why do some of the arrows go both ways?
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Old May 25 2013, 01:09 AM   #102
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^That's the most confusing flow chart I've ever seen. Not sure if that's a comment on the graphic design or the prequels' plotting.
I think it more aspires to be a flowchart than it actually is one. It certainly doesn't obey the conventions of flowcharts.

The arrows flowing in both directions instantly disqualify it from being called one.

And when there are multiple paths out of a step, which in a flowchart must be designated by a diamond, an explicit test or question, generally yes/no, must be specified to decide which path to take, which must be labeled.

Just sayin'.
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Old May 25 2013, 01:16 AM   #103
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For instance, in what order are we supposed to follow the symbols? What do the different colors and types of link represent? Why do some of the arrows go both ways?
That's where my issues with it lay. That's what I meant by overly complicated. What do all the colors and symbols mean to the more casual fan or even uninitiated viewer of the Prequels? I don't think the chart is too large or lengthy, in fact it's pretty small insofar as flow charts based on popular sci-fi/fantasy universes tend to go....I just think a lot of observers wouldn't know what on earth half of the symbols, multidirectional arrows and dotted lines mean.

I get it all and with no problems because I'm a lifelong Star Wars geek who paid more attention to that universe than I probably should have. Others who are much younger, just getting into the Saga or are completely new to the story? They'd probably be lost without a paddle.

For instance, there's an image of Asajj Ventress from the Clone Wars storylines both old and new. Unless you've been watching the two different Cartoon Network series and reading the associated written materials dating back to 2003 then you likely won't have one clue as to who that little image is supposed to represent, which means you won't understand the Count Dooku connection with her - and that's if a recent fan or newbie remembers or even knows Dooku to begin with.
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Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.
Ones than can reach six feet in length from nose to tail? No.
One might even say that it is inconceivable!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Old May 25 2013, 10:24 AM   #105
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Is Sifo Dyas on the chart? I cannot see him.
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