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Old May 23 2013, 07:43 PM   #16
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Re: TWOK remade scene?

I think they are both on the same level.

If to you a scene is just the words that are spoken in that moment mean it is ripoff or a knock off then hooray for your opinion.

But for me they are two totally different scenes that only shared visual similarities. The context of both were totally different. I mean you can complain about originality and all that but I don't see anyone moping around complaining that WoK and First Contact were just retelling of Moby Dick in Space (they even reference MD in First Contact outright, and Khan literally spews Captain Ahab dialog) but since that is classy literature it's okay to copy and paste that.
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Old May 23 2013, 08:12 PM   #17
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Re: TWOK remade scene?

To be perfectly honest - no, the new scene did not have a hugh impact on me, (in 10 foot tall letters>>>) BUT!, I do not blame the film for that, I blame the timing. One prior film just simply was not enough time for me to become that emotionally invested in these versions of the characters.

I still love it though for a myriad of other reasons. I am going to see it again at least twice more in theaters and will buy the BD.
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Old May 23 2013, 08:13 PM   #18
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Re: TWOK remade scene?

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I found the scene with kirk and spock , just as good as TWOK one it worked well, how they played on the twist of kirk dying but what i like too have seen is Mc Coy also run to the scene as he is also his friend and would have added to it .What do you guys think ?
Everything about the scene in TWOK was perfect. The setup with bones calling Kirk, the run to the engine room, the crew holding Kirk back, the dying Spock walking into the wall. It was a great scene beautifully done.

The scene in ID was silly and laughable. No resonance at all and all pathos was lost 20 minutes later. horrible.
I found it to be quite true to life. How often in an action-adventure picture does the hero admit to being scared of his impending death? Kirk pleads with Spock to help him face death with some sort of resolve and Spock is unable to help. Kirk has never been more real and human than he was in that moment.
This.

As far as the scene in TWOK goes, it seems strikingly subdued compared to the STID scene.

I thought both were fine for the context of each movie. There was more dignity in Spock's scene in TWOK, as there probably should've been. There was no anger. Emotions were running higher in STID, including Spock's anger for what now would never be fulfilled.

Funny how JJ was able to keep Kirk's death a secret here in the Internet age (though I suspected it from that first teaser and the first time I heard Spock in the volcano reference the needs of the many ), and the secret of Spock's death back in 1982 leaked all over the place to the point where no one even tried to deny it but actually tried to soften it, instead.
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Old May 23 2013, 09:34 PM   #19
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Hated it the first time, wanted to slap JJ in the face.

Forgave it the second time.

Appreciated it the third time and started thinking about all the dynamics, kind of surprised myself by getting into it.

Fourth time I cried.

So yeah, go see it again.
Sounds like stockholm syndrome to me.
I moved to Japan and didn't like much of the food. After I ate it a few times, I could see how their food was delicious, but in a different way than I was used to. It happens with most things if you give it a chance.
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Old May 23 2013, 09:43 PM   #20
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Re: TWOK remade scene?

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Sounds like stockholm syndrome to me.
I moved to Japan and didn't like much of the food. After I ate it a few times, I could see how their food was delicious, but in a different way than I was used to. It happens with most things if you give it a chance.
That's what stalkers say as well.
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Old May 23 2013, 10:48 PM   #21
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Hated it the first time, wanted to slap JJ in the face.

Forgave it the second time.

Appreciated it the third time and started thinking about all the dynamics, kind of surprised myself by getting into it.

Fourth time I cried.

So yeah, go see it again.
Sounds like stockholm syndrome to me.
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Old May 23 2013, 10:54 PM   #22
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Hated it the first time, wanted to slap JJ in the face.

Forgave it the second time.

Appreciated it the third time and started thinking about all the dynamics, kind of surprised myself by getting into it.

Fourth time I cried.

So yeah, go see it again.
Sounds like stockholm syndrome to me.
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Old May 23 2013, 10:59 PM   #23
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Old one was a classic, new one was a nice hommage. Both Chris and Zach nailed it.
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Old May 23 2013, 11:30 PM   #24
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I first saw Star Trek II: Into the Wrath of Spock 'sDarkness and facepalmed when Spock screamed. I was at least glad that at the point of Kirk's death he didn't utter, "Oh, my!" so at the very least I had that. My facebook post was "Except for one iconic line of dialog, this was a great Trek!" In fact, I really like the way it was similar but not the same as WoK (fixed points in time - though happening in different times as such...) and I liked how each had learned from the other and did what the other would do in their situation which served as a great counterpoint to the earlier scene with McCoy telling Kirk Spock would have let him die.

After subsequent viewings I have softened my opinion of the Scream because I realized that Spock was carrying around a lot of pent up rage with the death of his mother and his planet and what has amounted to the only friend he's ever known taken from him. I understand the why of the Scream and the only critique I still muster is Quinto's performance. The actor just didn't seem to have it quite right. Granted, Shatner's performance was a ruse to throw off his opponent (a fact I had figured out after the "days seemed like hours" had passed) but noone can scream like the Shat! This scene was great for these two characters in the story

I'm glad they did what they did as I see these NuTrek films as a way of bridging Trek over generations. Kent may have been a great actor, but the play was the thing and subsequent performances of Shakespeare have kept the Bard in the public eye for many generations. Yes, JJ threw the old folks a bone but it was a lovely bone and it honored what meat we feasted upon once ago.
This is a vision of a future for 2013 as opposed to a vision of a future for '64-67 and I'm fine with that. Just as I hope to find a vision of the future for 2053 to be as fine.
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Old May 24 2013, 12:13 AM   #25
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I first saw Star Trek II: Into the Wrath of Spock 'sDarkness and facepalmed when Spock screamed. I was at least glad that at the point of Kirk's death he didn't utter, "Oh, my!" so at the very least I had that. My facebook post was "Except for one iconic line of dialog, this was a great Trek!" In fact, I really like the way it was similar but not the same as WoK (fixed points in time - though happening in different times as such...) and I liked how each had learned from the other and did what the other would do in their situation which served as a great counterpoint to the earlier scene with McCoy telling Kirk Spock would have let him die.

After subsequent viewings I have softened my opinion of the Scream because I realized that Spock was carrying around a lot of pent up rage with the death of his mother and his planet and what has amounted to the only friend he's ever known taken from him. I understand the why of the Scream and the only critique I still muster is Quinto's performance. The actor just didn't seem to have it quite right. Granted, Shatner's performance was a ruse to throw off his opponent (a fact I had figured out after the "days seemed like hours" had passed) but noone can scream like the Shat! This scene was great for these two characters in the story

I'm glad they did what they did as I see these NuTrek films as a way of bridging Trek over generations. Kent may have been a great actor, but the play was the thing and subsequent performances of Shakespeare have kept the Bard in the public eye for many generations. Yes, JJ threw the old folks a bone but it was a lovely bone and it honored what meat we feasted upon once ago.
This is a vision of a future for 2013 as opposed to a vision of a future for '64-67 and I'm fine with that. Just as I hope to find a vision of the future for 2053 to be as fine.
Could not agree more with what you said fans wanted a too see tos again ,this just makes it freash again and to see the crew in action with great stories makes for good trek ?
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Old May 24 2013, 12:19 AM   #26
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Re: remade scene? (spoilers)

When I saw the scene, my reaction was "Seriously? You're actually doing this?" everytime they copied an aspect of the scene. It actually got to the point that when Spock ran into engineering I asked "where's the elderly Chinese guy? Isn't Spock supposed to bump into an elderly Chinese guy?"

Even among people I know in real life (people who love the Abrams series) the remake of Spock's death isn't going over well at all. I know a guy who saw Trek XI multiple times in theatres and has seen STID at least twice so far who said copying Spock's death scene and switching Kirk and Spock was "really cheesy."
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