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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 141 19.11%
A 160 21.68%
A- 99 13.41%
B+ 82 11.11%
B 58 7.86%
B- 27 3.66%
C+ 40 5.42%
C 38 5.15%
C- 24 3.25%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
D- 10 1.36%
F 35 4.74%
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Old May 23 2013, 06:22 PM   #3526
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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What's remarkable is that no one gives a fuck now about either A Very Brady Christmas or The Search For Spock.
Well, I liked it.


... the Trek movie, not the other one !
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Old May 23 2013, 06:26 PM   #3527
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It may have the weakest plotting of any Trek movie, and that's saying a lot.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:32 PM   #3528
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It may have the weakest plotting of any Trek movie, and that's saying a lot.
I still love it, has some of the best character moments of the TOS movie run. But I understand why modern audiences don't care about a thirty-year old Trek movie.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:35 PM   #3529
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^Are you talking about TSFS? If so, I agree re the best character moments. However, the last 1/4 hour was THE most boring few minutes in a Trek movie since TMP's last 1/2 hour.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:36 PM   #3530
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It may have the weakest plotting of any Trek movie, and that's saying a lot.
That's a far weaker claim than "no one [cares] now about [...] The Search for Spock".
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Old May 23 2013, 06:37 PM   #3531
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^Are you talking about TSFS? If so, I agree re the best character moments. However, the last 1/4 hour was THE most boring few minutes in a Trek movie since TMP's last 1/2 hour.
Yup.

I also agree that once they leave Genesis, it's Snoozeville.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:41 PM   #3532
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^Are you talking about TSFS? If so, I agree re the best character moments. However, the last 1/4 hour was THE most boring few minutes in a Trek movie since TMP's last 1/2 hour.
Yup.

I also agree that once they leave Genesis, it's Snoozeville.
Part of me thinks it is snoozeville once they get out of spacedock.

But another part agrees with you, if you'll push your assessment back 2 minutes to include McCoy's monologue to Spock, which feels like De's best moment since THE EMPATH and BREAD & CIRCUSES.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:44 PM   #3533
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^Are you talking about TSFS? If so, I agree re the best character moments. However, the last 1/4 hour was THE most boring few minutes in a Trek movie since TMP's last 1/2 hour.
Yup.

I also agree that once they leave Genesis, it's Snoozeville.
Part of me thinks it is snoozeville once they get out of spacedock.

But another part agrees with you, if you'll push your assessment back 2 minutes to include McCoy's monologue to Spock, which feels like De's best moment since THE EMPATH and BREAD & CIRCUSES.
Kelley's scene there is good. I think they might've needed to reorder the scenes somewhere (I don't know how) to maybe make the tempo of the last fifteen or so minutes seem a little more upbeat.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:47 PM   #3534
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Yup.

I also agree that once they leave Genesis, it's Snoozeville.
Part of me thinks it is snoozeville once they get out of spacedock.

But another part agrees with you, if you'll push your assessment back 2 minutes to include McCoy's monologue to Spock, which feels like De's best moment since THE EMPATH and BREAD & CIRCUSES.

Kelley's scene there is good. I think they might've needed to reorder the scenes somewhere (I don't know how) to maybe make the tempo of the last fifteen or so minutes seem a little more upbeat.
Telling the movie as a voiceover flashback comes to mind; would let you drop whatever you felt obliged to keep only for continuity.

Start the movie in darkness (no pun intended) with Kirk saying 'If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul.' Makes everyone off-balance, thinking, is this going to NOT work out at the end?
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Old May 23 2013, 06:53 PM   #3535
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Part of me thinks it is snoozeville once they get out of spacedock.

But another part agrees with you, if you'll push your assessment back 2 minutes to include McCoy's monologue to Spock, which feels like De's best moment since THE EMPATH and BREAD & CIRCUSES.

Kelley's scene there is good. I think they might've needed to reorder the scenes somewhere (I don't know how) to maybe make the tempo of the last fifteen or so minutes seem a little more upbeat.
Telling the movie as a voiceover flashback comes to mind; would let you drop whatever you felt obliged to keep only for continuity.

Start the movie in darkness (no pun intended) with Kirk saying 'If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul.' Makes everyone off-balance, thinking, is this going to NOT work out at the end?
Maybe. But I loathe flashbacks as a storytelling method.
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Old May 23 2013, 07:49 PM   #3536
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Considering Abrams and Lindelof, I'm surprised there aren't more flashbacks.
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Old May 23 2013, 07:56 PM   #3537
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The plot of TSFS hinges not on one or two moments when someone acts unaccountably dullwitted for a moment - nothing significant in the movie can move forward as it does except for the fact that every character other than the continuing cast of Star Trek (counting Sarek, I suppose) - behaves stupidly at just about every turn. The movie is a nearly flawless example of an Idiot Plot turned on its head - the heroes succeed at the end only because their competition and antagonists are too foolish to see and do the obvious.
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Old May 23 2013, 08:21 PM   #3538
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The plot of TSFS hinges not on one or two moments when someone acts unaccountably dullwitted for a moment - nothing significant in the movie can move forward as it does except for the fact that every character other than the continuing cast of Star Trek (counting Sarek, I suppose) - behaves stupidly at just about every turn. The movie is a nearly flawless example of an Idiot Plot turned on its head - the heroes succeed at the end only because their competition and antagonists are too foolish to see and do the obvious.
Agreed.

Yet I still love the movie.
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Old May 23 2013, 08:24 PM   #3539
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The plot of TSFS hinges not on one or two moments when someone acts unaccountably dullwitted for a moment - nothing significant in the movie can move forward as it does except for the fact that every character other than the continuing cast of Star Trek (counting Sarek, I suppose) - behaves stupidly at just about every turn. The movie is a nearly flawless example of an Idiot Plot turned on its head - the heroes succeed at the end only because their competition and antagonists are too foolish to see and do the obvious.
Nice to know I wasn't the only one thinking that. God, that movie was awful.
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Old May 23 2013, 08:46 PM   #3540
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I still enjoy it some. That doesn't make it great.
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