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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old May 23 2013, 03:36 PM   #1
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Was there a TMP Enterprise outrage ?

Hi,

This question is for the old timers.

We've all seen the... rather heated comments about the design of Enterprise for the 2009 movie, so I was wondering if something similar happened in '79 when TMP came out and the now-classic redesign was made.

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Old May 23 2013, 03:49 PM   #2
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I dunno about outrage, but I was disappointed in the nacelles...and Scotty's mustache.
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Old May 23 2013, 04:23 PM   #3
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Was very disappointed with the lack of spinning ball nacelle caps (was expecting something like the nacelles we got on the PHOENIX 17 years later), but was more disappointed Scotty didn't have Doohan's beard, which made him look like Sean Connery's thicker brother.

Honestly, the lights installed in the ship and the hull sheen enhanced an already pretty darn good redesign (though I also was no fan of the 'strongback' linking dish and secondary hull - it seems boxy by comparison with everything else.)

Now the interiors ... I found THOSE a real mixed batch. Liked corridors and lots of engineering, hated just about everything else, in color scheme, design and execution.
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Re: Was there a TMP Enterprise outrage ?

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I was wondering if something similar happened in '79 when TMP came out and the now-classic redesign was made.
Of course, but I recall worse rage over the Klingons' makeup, the Starfleet uniforms, Spock and McCoy "leaving Jim after the TV series", the new transporter FX, and McCoy's beard!
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Old May 23 2013, 04:30 PM   #5
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There was complaint about the interiors, but the exterior redesign was largely popular with Trek fans. Most loved that endless flyby while acknowledging that it was...well, too long for the movie's own good.
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Old May 23 2013, 04:36 PM   #6
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Of course, but I recall worse rage over the Klingons' makeup, the Starfleet uniforms, Spock and McCoy "leaving Jim after the TV series", the new transporter FX, and McCoy's beard!
Really ? I feel the TMP Transporter FX are the best of any of the series or movies. Maybe except the new ones.
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Old May 23 2013, 04:59 PM   #7
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Different strokes ... until Abrams, the TMP transporter was the only transporter effect I did NOT like ... both seem very animated in the sense of not being about textures and real light sources, so they seem more applied than integrated.

If they'd actually shot the beam-ups in one of the ways they'd intended (as seen in the reflection of the glass in front of Rand), it would have worked better for me, since it would have been more oblique.
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Old May 23 2013, 05:01 PM   #8
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Yeah, but they felt nostalgic to me, while the others were just light shows (nice light shows, mind you) that didn't feel like a transporter effect to me (including the TNG one).
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Old May 23 2013, 05:07 PM   #9
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Re: Was there a TMP Enterprise outrage ?

The outside rocked. Yeah, I knew the movie was in trouble when the drydock flyby went on too long, although it really was great to look at. The ship was odd to look at, at first, but I was used to it by the time I saw the film, from all the magazines I read.

The inside had numerous problems, foremost was that the corridors were just bland. Generally, things were unrealistically spartan on the inside, and that was acutely true in Engineering. The intermix chamber was really cool, though.

The transporter beam was wrong, although Sonak's death scene is one of the most dramatic scenes in all of Trek.

Of course, then there are the uniforms...
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Old May 23 2013, 05:09 PM   #10
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The intermix chamber was really cool, though.
I'll say. My favourite warp core. I was glad they did something similar in Voyager.
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Old May 23 2013, 05:18 PM   #11
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I was 9 when the movie came out, and while it did take some getting used to the new nacelles, the sheer spectacle of the drydock, of how huge it looked up on the big screen, won me over.

The new Enterprise, as an object d'art, so to speak, is just plain ugly. I think most people would agree that it strikes them as ugly, even though it may be hard for them to explain exactly why. There are magical proportions and lines that the eye subliminally looks for, the golden mean and all that sort of stuff. The refit has it, and the 2009 Enterprise doesn't. It's like the difference between a Ferrari and an AMC Pacer.
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Old May 23 2013, 05:29 PM   #12
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The intermix chamber was really cool, though.
I'll say. My favourite warp core. I was glad they did something similar in Voyager.
Yeah, I think for me the swirling gases core thing always evoked what I imagined it would be like going in super-close to the TOS nacelles caps, that inside those spokes of light you'd probably see gases like that.

Plus the cores where it was just rings of like (DEFIANT, E-E, E-D) just made me think 'physical lighting effect' without evoking the idea of it being a spaceship (sort of like when you see chase lights on old TV.)
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Old May 23 2013, 06:21 PM   #13
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The new Enterprise, as an object d'art, so to speak, is just plain ugly. I think most people would agree that it strikes them as ugly, even though it may be hard for them to explain exactly why. There are magical proportions and lines that the eye subliminally looks for, the golden mean and all that sort of stuff. The refit has it, and the 2009 Enterprise doesn't. It's like the difference between a Ferrari and an AMC Pacer.
Really ? I disagree completely. I've seen a lot of fan designs for 1701, including my own, and people often cite Gabe Koerner's design, but most of them strike me as tricked-out racing models. The Enterprise was always like a liner, to me, and the 2009 version strikes exactly that chord with me. It's replaced the 1979 version as my favourite starship design specifically because it's so in line with the TOS and TMP versions: sleek, simple and luxurious.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:31 PM   #14
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I think most people would agree that it strikes them as ugly.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:37 PM   #15
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The new Enterprise, as an object d'art, so to speak, is just plain ugly. I think most people would agree that it strikes them as ugly, even though it may be hard for them to explain exactly why. There are magical proportions and lines that the eye subliminally looks for, the golden mean and all that sort of stuff. The refit has it, and the 2009 Enterprise doesn't. It's like the difference between a Ferrari and an AMC Pacer.
Really ? I disagree completely. I've seen a lot of fan designs for 1701, including my own, and people often cite Gabe Koerner's design, but most of them strike me as tricked-out racing models. The Enterprise was always like a liner, to me, and the 2009 version strikes exactly that chord with me. It's replaced the 1979 version as my favourite starship design specifically because it's so in line with the TOS and TMP versions: sleek, simple and luxurious.
Only the dish reads remotely that way to me, with the rest just messing with proportions in a disturbing/distracting fashion. Kind of reminds me of a sports car from the late 70s ... don't recall its name, but the front and middle looked sharp and exciting like a traditional Corvette ... but then it just stopped, like somebody lopped off the back end of a vette. Just godawful looking, whatever the hell it was.
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