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Old May 19 2013, 02:32 AM   #16
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Al Francis shot most of 3rd season, so he probably did DOVE; that actually makes sense, because Francis didn't overdo the diffusion on actresses, and I've seen DOVE recently enough to remember that they didn't make it all mushy when you saw Kang's wife.
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Old May 19 2013, 06:31 PM   #17
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Al Francis shot most of 3rd season, so he probably did DOVE; that actually makes sense, because Francis didn't overdo the diffusion on actresses, and I've seen DOVE recently enough to remember that they didn't make it all mushy when you saw Kang's wife.
By diffusion on women do you mean like hazy shots like inThis Side Of Paradise when they show solo shots of spocks "interest"?

I can't remember her name right off hand--- shame on me
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Old May 19 2013, 09:57 PM   #18
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Leila Kalomi, played by Jill Ireland.
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Old May 20 2013, 01:50 AM   #19
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All Francis took over as the Director of Photography in the middle of the third season and continued through the last 15 episodes of the series.

64 "The Tholian Web"
65 "For the Wolrd Is Hallow And I Have Touched the Sky"
66 "Day of the Dove"
67 "Plato's Stepchildren"
68 "Wink of an Eye"
69 "That Which Survives"
70 "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"
71 "Whom Gods Destroy"
72 "The Mark of Gideon"
73 "The Lights of Zetar"
74 "The Cloud Minders"
75 "The Way to Eden"
76 "Requiem for Methuselah"
77 "The Savage Curtain"
78 "All Our Yesterdays"
79 "Turnabout Intruder"

Jerry Finnerman was the Director of Photography for all the other Star Trek episodes except:

1 "The Cage" (William E Snyder)
2 "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (Ernest Haller)
50 "By Any Other Name" (Keith C. Smith)

The late All Francis seems to have been perfectly capable of using a soft focus lens on Katherine Wodville, Barbara Babcock, Kathie Brown, and all the other third season lovelies that he had to shoot. I think that if he elected to not use the soft focus lens on Susan Howard, it's probably simply because she was supposed to be a harsh Klingon warrior and advesary--not a romantic love interest.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:43 AM   #20
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I've only seen one or two Francis interviews, but he stresses that he didn't want to use as much diffusion as Finnerman ... I think he may have said something about a harder key as well, but won't swear to that.

I'm pretty sure if you look at Kathie Browne's stuff vs, say, the lady in COURT MARTIAL, you'll see the latter is shot with something nearly as excessive as Margot Kidder in SUPERMAN 2.
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Old May 22 2013, 03:25 AM   #21
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Senensky seems to be saying that Finnerman introduced the new wide angle 9mm lens to Senensky back during "Metamorphosis," but that it was actually Senensky's decision to use it again in "Is There In Truth...," not Finnerman's. But maybe I'm just misunderstanding him.
Certainly if a director says "I will use this camera" then one should listen, but in general the DP is there to decide such things.
Senensky talks about working with Finnerman here:
http://startrekhistory.com/interviews.html#RALPH
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Old May 22 2013, 05:31 AM   #22
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IMO, Senensky's the only recurring TREK director who delivered winners every single time, even on -- or maybe that should read especially on -- the one he got fired off of.
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Old May 22 2013, 04:02 PM   #23
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I don't know, I think "Bread and Circuses" is pretty silly, although he makes the most of it.
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Old May 22 2013, 05:23 PM   #24
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I don't know, I think "Bread and Circuses" is pretty silly, although he makes the most of it.
Well, there's only so much a director can do with a silly script, and this one was written by the Great Bird himself with Gene Coon.
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Old May 23 2013, 03:37 AM   #25
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Senensky seems to be saying that Finnerman introduced the new wide angle 9mm lens to Senensky back during "Metamorphosis," but that it was actually Senensky's decision to use it again in "Is There In Truth...," not Finnerman's. But maybe I'm just misunderstanding him.
Certainly if a director says "I will use this camera" then one should listen, but in general the DP is there to decide such things.
Senensky talks about working with Finnerman here:
http://startrekhistory.com/interviews.html#RALPH

Wow so the idiotic costumer didn't put in zippers, they sewed them into the space suits, which weren't on time and made things super slow to deal with when people needed out of them, WTF!? And then of course sh*t rolls down hill and Senesky was fired and then ended up black listed? Sheesh!

These are behind the scenes details I didn't know before...

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Old May 23 2013, 07:53 AM   #26
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Wow so the idiotic costumer didn't put in zippers, they sowed them into the space suits, which weren't on time and made things super slow to deal with when people needed out of them, WTF!? And then of course sh*t rolls down hill and Senesky was fired and then ended up black listed? Sheesh!

These are behind the scenes details I didn't know before...
That's sewed, not sowed.

And that happens in Hollywood all the time. Costumes of the week are often literally sewn onto actors because there's not time to do the kind of proper construction you'd want in the very short time you have. As such, I'd stop short of calling the costumer "stupid", especially if he couldn't get the actors in for a fitting until the previous day.
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Old May 23 2013, 04:19 PM   #27
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Agreed, production manager or 2nd asst director was probably at fault for not arranging fittings earlier in schedule. Then again, it WAS 3rd season.
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Old May 23 2013, 08:54 PM   #28
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Yeah I guess I didn't mean the costumer directly, I guess it's whatever production people in charge should have known better and poor Senesky took the brunt of it.
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Old May 23 2013, 09:47 PM   #29
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Yeah I guess I didn't mean the costumer directly, I guess it's whatever production people in charge should have known better and poor Senesky took the brunt of it.

He ain't the only one. George Meerhof the gaffer got canned for making some kind of stand for his people around the same time (is that in the Solow book?)

I remember thinking hard about that one, because Shatner mentioned in that SHAT WHERE NO MAN book that he had considered Meerhof a friend (he died during that decade.) Now Shatner certainly had a ton of problems during the run of TOS personally, but you'd figure one of your friends getting canned by the studio for trying to do the right thing would have been grounds for you as star to throw some weight around and right that wrong.

Now that I'm reminded of that again, I guess I'll go on another short-lived AntiShat stretch (like Koenig I can never seem to maintain a mad against the guy.)
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Old May 23 2013, 10:32 PM   #30
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Man this just solidifies the fact that I need to get a copy of the Solow book. I have had a copy of Whitfield's The Making of Star Trek ever since I found a beat up copy at a garage sale when I was a boy and loved it ever since. So it seems I should have long ago picked up the Solow book...
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