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Old May 22 2013, 08:36 PM   #931
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

I was talking about the demographic overlap between F&F 6 and HIII. I wasn't comparing them to STiD. It was an aside about this weekend's competition, not a Trek-related comment.

I agree that STiD will hold up compared to Star Trek in its second weekend, but that's a Memorial Day weekend compared to a regular one in 2009. Star Trek then had another very good hold for a $29.4 million 4-day third weekend over Memorial Day weekend. It's in its third weekend that STiD is likely to fall behind.
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Old May 22 2013, 08:53 PM   #932
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I was talking about the demographic overlap between F&F 6 and HIII. I wasn't comparing them to STiD. It was an aside about this weekend's competition, not a Trek-related comment.

I agree that STiD will hold up compared to Star Trek in its second weekend, but that's a Memorial Day weekend compared to a regular one in 2009. Star Trek then had another very good hold for a $29.4 million 4-day third weekend over Memorial Day weekend. It's in its third weekend that STiD is likely to fall behind.
I would normally agree but STiD is not performing like a typical frontloaded sequel. There were signs on the first Monday and Tuesday of Pirates Stranger Tides that something was amiss and the numbers would fall very short of the previous Pirates movies. The fact that this past Monday and Tuesday held up so well is proof positive that WOM is helping this film. I think this weekend's AND next weekend's drops are going to remain in line with Trek 2009. In addition, with a release schedule closer to June STiD should get higher daily box office numbers through the first week or two of June.


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Old May 22 2013, 08:54 PM   #933
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Star Trek has IMAX until Man of Steel so that will soften the drops for a while, ST09 only had IMAX for 2 weeks.
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Old May 22 2013, 10:54 PM   #934
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So by current trends - very early days however, and strong competition - ID should beat Trek 09 by the time its delisted, not by much but get there.

Which would be good with the overseas box office tally. It'll just be back to the drawing board for Paramount to try appeal to a younger generation. How? Who knows since CBS seem reluctant. I still think making a quality video game is the way forward.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:01 PM   #935
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A strong Memorial Day weekend take and a decent third weekend would put $215-235 million in play. $250 million would be an astounding achievement - very tough to do, but I'd love to see it.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:07 PM   #936
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A strong Memorial Day weekend take and a decent third weekend would put $215-235 million in play. $250 million would be an astounding achievement - very tough to do, but I'd love to see it.
I think there's an outside chance to hit that for one reason... By the time Trek 2009 got to June, and better weekday box office numbers, it was further into its release. I think STiD can really make some hay in early June as it is earlier in its release cycle, and there are very few genre films out there to compete with it until Man of Steel.


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Old May 22 2013, 11:16 PM   #937
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I don't think it will hit those numbers, but current trends hint that it could. However this is one of the most competitive summers for years, and one of the most competitive Mays so the trend isn't likely to continue.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:20 PM   #938
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I'm very glad STID wasn't released next to Avengers last year. That would have been a total bloodbath!
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Old May 22 2013, 11:25 PM   #939
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They could have released it two weeks afterwards when Battleship was released, it would've give it plenty of breathing room and leg space while perhaps helping out Prometheus. Last Summer it would've done a lot better, which has probably irked Paramount a bit.
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Old May 23 2013, 12:09 AM   #940
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Are STID and Hangover really the same target audience? I don't see it as a big threat.
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Old May 23 2013, 12:20 AM   #941
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Not really... even FF6 skews much younger I think.
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Old May 23 2013, 04:33 AM   #942
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While looking through the Nick Meyer papers at the University of Iowa I photocopied a June 11, 1990 memo from Ralph Winter to Teddy Zee which lists several production budget numbers of interest. (Some of this info also comes from an undated memo comparing the costs of several of the features, found in the same collection).

TWOK -- $13 million (approved budget was $11 million)
TSFS -- $16,766,830 (approved budget was $16 million)
TVH -- $22,479,687 (approved budget was $23 million)
TFF -- $32,030,271 (approved budget was $31.25 million)

I also have a production budget for TUC (dated April 12, 1990, just before photography commenced) which lists the approved budget at $29,157,511 (though it is plastered with a note indicating that figure doesn't include $1.1 million in overhead costs).
Thanks, it's nice to have specifics.

Wonder what the 1.1 overhead was at that point? Would they have been charging STARFLEET ACADEMY development to TUC? Nobody had used up a pay-or-play either, as Bennett's contract was already up before he departed.

I am surprised that TFF's approved budget was over 30 ... kind of makes me wonder where some of that went. You've got locations work, yeah, got half a mil for Paradise City, maybe 300 grand for the new bridge, whatever it costs to build WONDERFUL new phasers and a couple shuttlecraft mockups ... 300 grand for an unusable rock creature ...

I'm a staunch defender of Shat and TFF, but man, they sure should have spent that money in more efficient ways. This does perhaps show why it was so important for them to release on schedule though. I'd always wondered why they didn't just slip back to xmas and have more time to refine the cut and do some additional VFX work with other vendors (people who could shoot motion control models with natural BLUR!), but I suppose they figured the interest costs alone would be enough to not make the delay worthwhile.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:18 AM   #943
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Wonder what the 1.1 overhead was at that point? Would they have been charging STARFLEET ACADEMY development to TUC? Nobody had used up a pay-or-play either, as Bennett's contract was already up before he departed.
I haven't gone through the budget line by line, so I can't be sure. There is $1.1 million of producer's overhead indicated in the detailed budget ($600,000 for Jaffe/Meyer, $400,000 for Konner/Rosenthal, and $100,000 for Winter), but without looking in more detail I can't say if this figure is included in the overall cost or not (the thing is a 48 page document, after all).

On the other hand, the Winter memo I previously mentioned (which outlines a budget for TUC which is much more substantial than that of the final picture) includes a list of several expenditures for the aborted Academy project, which total $1,320,000.
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Old May 23 2013, 07:18 AM   #944
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Star Trek has IMAX until Man of Steel so that will soften the drops for a while, ST09 only had IMAX for 2 weeks.
After Earth opens May 31 and is in IMAX.
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From the looks of it it'll drop like a stone...
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