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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 139 19.36%
A 157 21.87%
A- 98 13.65%
B+ 78 10.86%
B 58 8.08%
B- 27 3.76%
C+ 38 5.29%
C 37 5.15%
C- 23 3.20%
D+ 11 1.53%
D 13 1.81%
D- 6 0.84%
F 33 4.60%
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Old May 21 2013, 09:32 PM   #3421
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I think we may have moved just a bit off topic here. Perhaps we should start a thread elsewhere in this section to discuss the film and body images?
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Old May 21 2013, 09:32 PM   #3422
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It takes the thoughts and feelings and worth out of the woman and says "As long as you look like this, you can get whatever you want." That's all that matters.

Do you ever stop to think: What is she thinking about in that picture? What is the picture trying to tell me? Or are you just glancing over the pretty parts?
I'm guessing I have no idea what I'm talking about because I have a twenty-year old daughter in a healthy relationship and with a healthy body image. She never wanted to be a size 0 because we always taught her to be who she was meant to be and not what someone else wanted her to be.

Why would I care what someone is thinking in a photo?

This is actually veering wayyyyy off course. Best to get back to the topic of the movie.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:40 PM   #3423
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I didn't see anyone addressing this, so thought I'd ask:

How did Uhura and Sulu get off their shuttle and what happened to it?

From what I gather after one viewing; they did not beam off it, they wore wetsuits as well (Sulu's line "ready to swim" from the trailers), so they probably flew it out of the volcanic ash cloud into the ocean, close to the E, abandoned the shuttle and swam to the Enterprise like Kirk and McCoy did later? If so, add even more cultural contamination once they find the wreckage someday...
Set it to self-destruct just after they bail out?
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Old May 21 2013, 09:44 PM   #3424
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I think we may have moved just a bit off topic here. Perhaps we should start a thread elsewhere in this section to discuss the film and body images?
Sounds good. Sorry for the intrusion.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:50 PM   #3425
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Titus Andronicus wrote: View Post
I think we may have moved just a bit off topic here. Perhaps we should start a thread elsewhere in this section to discuss the film and body images?
Sounds good. Sorry for the intrusion.
Oh no intrusion at all! This is something that folks talked about before the film came out, and it only came back with a vengeance with the Lindelhof (sp?) interview.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:57 PM   #3426
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All I know is that I thought I'd seen every episode of Star Trek and its spin-offs. But apparently there is this romanticized version that I've completely missed where warp speeds are consistent, women never wore skimpy outfits and no plot-holes ever existed.
Yeah, it's the Star Trek I dream about.


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The women here are more than welcome to start a 'Dude of the Week' thread.
Yeah because two wrongs make a right.
Aw, come on. There's nothing wrong about appreciating the human body.
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Old May 21 2013, 10:18 PM   #3427
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I think I first became a science fiction film buff watching the captivating Altaira on "Forbidden Planet" when I was about age eight - and then, as a young teen, a TV presentation of "Barbarella" (in b/w) in the privacy of my bedroom. I saw almost as much female flesh on Jane Fonda as I did male flesh on John Phillip Law's Pygar.

Those movies just wouldn't have been the same if the characters were all in bulky neck-to-knee costumes. Nor as memorable/enlightening.

Sorry, now I've quite forgotten why scenes of Gaila, Carol and Kirk in underwear are so... eh?
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Old May 21 2013, 10:31 PM   #3428
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Look, just to remind people who we're arguing about - look at Eve (yes, I'm serious).

That young woman has the fortune to be physically attractive by Hollywood standards, and of course she wouldn't be successful in commercial movies if she weren't.

That said, there is nothing "anorexic" about her in the least - that's plain hysteria. She looks to have a healthy amount of body fat for a young person. If you think you can count her ribs here you're imagining things:



No, it's not possible for everyone to look like that no matter how hard they try - I could never have looked like Chris Pine, either. Both cases are matters of heredity, not how much willingness to abuse one's health in the pursuit of an unrealistic goal one may or may not possess.
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Old May 21 2013, 10:33 PM   #3429
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Because your girlfriend wants to look like that, can't, and she's going to kill herself trying to look like that. Because the standard of beauty is not realistic. What do I mean? Photoshop. As Cindy Crawford says "I wish I looked like Cindy Crawford, too." Because of how much time and energy goes into each photograph for it to be right. Because women compare themselves to that image, that isn't really what the woman on the cover looks like.

It takes the thoughts and feelings and worth out of the woman and says "As long as you look like this, you can get whatever you want." That's all that matters.

Do you ever stop to think: What is she thinking about in that picture? What is the picture trying to tell me? Or are you just glancing over the pretty parts?
Talk about misguided rage. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at parents who don't teach their daughters not to tie their sense of self-worth to their body image.
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Old May 21 2013, 10:40 PM   #3430
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Okay, you've been warned - a lengthy and somewhat disjointed synopsis of the movie from someone at IMDB.

If even a fraction of this crap is what's really in the movie, I won't even watch it when it eventually comes on TV. The last one was bad enough.

This is crap to the infinite power. Why can't Abrams come up with an original story? Why does he need to plagiarize (oops, "re-imagine") what far better storytellers and artists have already done?
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Old May 21 2013, 10:43 PM   #3431
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Meh. Skip it then, because it's ALL TRUE (AGGGHHH!). Just don't post diatribes about what's wrong with a movie you haven't seen, and everything will work out even.

It's a really good Star Trek movie. TWOK may be better - I haven't decided - but it's the only one.
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Old May 21 2013, 10:46 PM   #3432
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Meh. Skip it then, because it's ALL TRUE (AGGGHHH!). Just don't post diatribes about what's wrong with a movie you haven't seen, and everything will work out even.
Why didn't Roddenberry, Bennett and Berman create new space operas instead of constantly reusing Trek?

Oops, quoted wrong post.
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Old May 21 2013, 10:48 PM   #3433
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It's a really good Star Trek movie. TWOK may be better - I haven't decided - but it's the only one.
I watched TWOK last night and the two are such different films I'm not sure it's fair to compare.

They both simply rock the house.
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Old May 21 2013, 10:52 PM   #3434
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This is crap to the infinite power. Why can't Abrams come up with an original story? Why does he need to plagiarize (oops, "re-imagine") what far better storytellers and artists have already done?
By "better storytellers," you mean Nick Meyer--the guy who "re-imagined" Melville, Dickens, and Shakespeare.
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Old May 21 2013, 10:53 PM   #3435
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This is crap to the infinite power. Why can't Abrams come up with an original story? Why does he need to plagiarize (oops, "re-imagine") what far better storytellers and artists have already done?
I think you're missing out on some pretty good Trek. But you have to be A) open-minded about the movie being different than previous Trek, which is actually not a bad thing, because I hate it when things get stale and the statu quo is untouchable, which is why Vulcan's destruction is such a good idea.

And B) Learn to live with the fact that movies have mistakes and inconsistencies. I mean, I'd like nothing more than all movies and books and video games to have perfect storytelling with no errors, but guess what ? Only reality's like that, and we're still not happy with it. So I enjoy it when movies are better scripted or the people involved make extra effort to get the details right, but I'm okay with movies that aren't perfect if they are entertaining.

Of course, then I nitpick because I like to do that, but it doesn't bother me as much as it used to.

And by the way, spoiling the entire movie in text form usually sounds a lot worse than the finished product.
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