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Old May 21 2013, 03:41 PM   #106
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

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Well acted...well directed...well paced. Awful, lazy, pandering, hole-filled script writing.

5 out of 10

did you think it was better written, worse written, or about the same as Star Trek XI?
Good question. At first, I thought it had potential. The Khan reveal was disappointing (and expected). And there was a point where I thought they may actually make him a sympathetic character...but he quickly became just another two-dimensional villain. So, I guess I would say the writing was about as weak as the previous film. That being said, I found this story far more insulting to the intelligence of even the average Trek fan.
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Old May 21 2013, 03:58 PM   #107
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Well acted...well directed...well paced. Awful, lazy, pandering, hole-filled script writing.

5 out of 10

did you think it was better written, worse written, or about the same as Star Trek XI?
Good question. At first, I thought it had potential. The Khan reveal was disappointing (and expected). And there was a point where I thought they may actually make him a sympathetic character...but he quickly became just another two-dimensional villain. So, I guess I would say the writing was about as weak as the previous film. That being said, I found this story far more insulting to the intelligence of even the average Trek fan.
Guess I must not even be an average Trek fan. My wife will be relieved.
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Old May 21 2013, 04:21 PM   #108
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

I wasn't crazy that they brought back Pike just to kill him.

I felt Spock's Wrath of Khan line was forced.

Other than that:

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I liked the movie.

I didn't like when it was over and I had to go home.
Pretty much this. It was a fun ride from beginning to end.

Make more now.
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Old May 21 2013, 05:19 PM   #109
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I saw it on Saturday.

My likes:

The main cast. Such a likeable and enjoyable group of talented actors.

The production values and special effects. Just really top-notch, with quirky touches between the futuristic and the mundane.

The writing when it comes to interplay between the characters. The script has several nice touches where it reminds us that we're seeing people who are really pretty young, maybe not as mature as they should be, and who obviously socialize outside of work. Kirk's question to Uhura ("Wait a minute, are you two fighting? . .. What is that even LIKE?") was a fine example of this. I can see many viewers not caring for this aspect, or perhaps just not liking where the writers decided to put these moments in the story, but they didn't bother me.

The direction. Abrams keeps the whole story zipping right along, artfully concealing the flaws of the screenplay for many first time viewers and critics.

Dislike:

About that screenplay . . . well, Star Trek can no doubt be hard to write when you have established technology that can do truly wondrous things. So the writers are automatically laboring under a significant handicap in terms of generating dramatic tension, and I'm willing to give them a pass on certain things, like the transporter not being able to beam up Spock at certain points, etc.

The larger problems with the story that I disliked basically involve the Reset Button (Khan back in storage), everything looking shiny and new, and apparently no war with the Klingons even after the lapse of a year's time. There was really no need to bring Khan into the storyline at all, but since they did I think they could have been ballsier in handling him. For instance, instead of resorting to an old-fashioned fistfight between Spock and Khan, have the Klingons show up in Earth space, as if they're about to start the war Admiral Marcus wanted, but instead simply whisk Khan away. Maybe they were so stunned by his fighting ability that they want him for themselves. Heck, the third movie could open with Khan having become the Chancellor of the Klingon Empire. Basically, almost any use of Khan would have been better with what they came up with, so I have to put that down as the main dislike I have for the movie.
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Old May 21 2013, 05:24 PM   #110
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Heck, the third movie could open with Khan having become the Chancellor of the Klingon Empire.
Did we learn nothing from Shinzon?
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Old May 21 2013, 05:28 PM   #111
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Well, hopefully it would go over a bit better than Shinzon! :-)
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Old May 21 2013, 05:40 PM   #112
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They really just need to pull out all the stops and do a kick-ass Kirk vs. the Borg flick.
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Old May 21 2013, 05:46 PM   #113
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let's make a quick list of all the bad shit about it
>Some other little things that also don't really matter, because I nitpick everything.

-That's fine, there are little nitpicks. It's just whether they bother you enough to hate the movie.
I loved the movie, it just wasn't perfect. Nothing is.

Also, >Blue bussard cells doesn't matter

Muh OCD. Shit just doesn't look right.
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Old May 21 2013, 05:49 PM   #114
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- oh and they spelled Qo'nos, Kronos
That was the original spelling used in Star Trek 6, when the name was introduced, yes?
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Old May 21 2013, 06:31 PM   #115
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That was the original spelling used in Star Trek 6, when the name was introduced, yes?
Romanization is commonly used with many languages and is nothing to get upset about. 99.99% of the audience watching will not know how to speak or read Klingon. Just like if I wrote 東京 instead of "Tokyo", the majority of English speakers will not be able to read the kanji. And there is also no standard for romanization, as long as the person reading it can understand what is being written. I could spell "Tokyo" as Toukyou or Tookyoo and all are valid romanizations (Toukyou being the actual translation of the letters と う きょ う), but as long as you recognized that the word in question is the capital city of Japan, it doesn't matter. And yes, I used to translate Japanese into English, so I'm used to this
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Old May 21 2013, 08:25 PM   #116
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Thanks you for asking. It was OK.

I'd have rather had the first movie, the one with aliens on a red planet that maybe would've presented me with a sci-fi what-if scenario.

We got two half-movies: 1) the self-justified terrorist. Really could've done more with that; would've taken more dialog: like a Spock-McCoy argument, Kirk must make tough decision. 2) the self-justified renegade admiral a la Cartwright in VI or the dude in Insurrection. Again, a good plot with room for gray and moral dilemmas. Especially tied into what governments feel they must do today to combat terrorism.

Anyhow, we got both of those, but only half each. Plus the undressed cipher that is Carol Marcus. And Cumberpatch was fine but, like Bana, not what one would call "great." Neither part was juicy enough imho.

The do-over of the Khan-plot seems lazy to me. There's a galaxy out there full of weird, cool adventures and choices.

Emotionally nowhere near TWOK, but I've already written about that somewhere. Gratuitous Nimoy scene: we've been there, done that.

It was a decent action flick; had funny parts. Effects were great!

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Old May 21 2013, 08:59 PM   #117
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The soundtrack.

I just don't think Michael Giacchino is a good composer at all. His music to both movies just lacks the emotional depth needed. I also have to say, I really hate his main theme. I was really hoping for more of the TOS theme to appear, but it's hardly anywhere.





I found this on YouTube where someone inserted a bit of the score from Star Trek VI. I think it works so much better.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:08 PM   #118
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Giacchino is the best Trek film composer not named Goldsmith.

Horner: recycled his own stuff.
Rosenman and Eidelman: recycled others' stuff.
McCarthy: ZZzzzzzzzz....
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Old May 21 2013, 09:10 PM   #119
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Giacchino is the best Trek film composer not named Goldsmith.

Horner: recycled his own stuff.
Rosenman and Eidelman: recycled others' stuff.
McCarthy: ZZzzzzzzzz....
Have to disagree. Horner is probably my second favorite in the Star Trek music family. Sure, he may have reused music, but he re-used the themes across both movies. Plus, I think Horner and Goldsmith's music is really part of the movie. In the 2009 film and now this one, there's never really time to appreciate the music because the scenes move so quickly. You would NEVER be able to do a "Stealing the Enterprise," today.

Goldsmith and Horner's music drove so many scenes. I see no sign of this Giacchino's. The closest would be the Enterprise's reveal in the first movie.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:24 PM   #120
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Speaking of, has it been stated how big Vengeance is? It must be the size of a small moon.
1450m or so. Taller than most of our largest skyscrapers but dwarfed by the average large American city.

Or, about a quarter of the size of the NuGalactica.
Uh... the nuPrise is 3/4 the length of the nuGalactica. The Vengeance is probably as long as or longer than the nuPegasus.
Enterprise: 725m
Vengeance: 1450m
Galactica: 4.25km (4250m)
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