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Old May 21 2013, 09:01 AM   #31
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Re: Janeway vs. Nero

For STXIII I want politics, lots and lots of tables and negotiations interrupted by a pon farr virus that sweeps the ship. Or the quadrant. Let's aim big.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:15 AM   #32
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Zachery Quinto was explaining accurately and with precision what Pon far is to Conan O'Brien the other night on Conan.

Zack claims that he's been winking and nudging about Pon far with the producers at cocktail parties since filming began on the first movie, no luck yet, but he swears that the third movie is going to be a charm.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:17 AM   #33
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You must be teasing me with this wonderfulness, it is too delicious to be true.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:36 AM   #34
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Here is a post from the "Reman Warbird Scimitar Thread from last year regarding the canon spec of the Narada. What we see in Countdown, in the film Star Trek, and what is on the special features are not all equal.

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If the Narada really had Borg tech, then why is she portrayed as lacking in all the classic Borg abilities? She seems to be technologically humdrum (slow, almost unarmed), easily wounded (all ramming attacks against it are highly successful, and "shields up" or "shields down" make no difference whatsoever in combat), incapable of any visible self-repair, dependent on centralized resources, low on ammo...

I got the blu-ray special features version of the 09 movie to see all the canon abilities of the Narada. The Narada has reverse engineered Borg tech, helps grow the hull and repair the ship, and run the computer functions. The Narada is armed only with torpedos, and when Nero screamed "Fire Everything" you can count the torpedoes and see only 27 heading for the Jellyfish. The Narada is also equipped with transwarp drive, the special features claim. But nuEnterprise at warp 4 is able to catch up with the Narada as it heads for Earth after Nero destroyed Vulcan. Given the proximity of Earth and Vulcan, it's just another plot hole in the movie.

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Nero wouldn't have had the clout or the time to acquire any Borg tech, either. His "decades of meticulously planning an evil scheme of revenge" came only after he had been stranded away from home base!

The special features does insert that the "simple mining vessel" was upgraded by Romulans at the secret base "The Vault", after Romulus' destruction. Going by what we see in the movie though. Spock left Vulcan, en route to Romulus was destroyed, and Nero appears in his space octopus and both are sucked into the red matter black hole. There isn't time refit a ship that fast.
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Old May 21 2013, 08:06 PM   #35
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Zack claims that he's been winking and nudging about Pon far with the producers at cocktail parties since filming began on the first movie, no luck yet, but he swears that the third movie is going to be a charm.
Given that Zoe Saldana apparently has no problem with nudity and sex scenes, this could be quite interesting.


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Old May 21 2013, 10:53 PM   #36
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Actual Vulcan sex scenes on a screen, immortalized as canon.. mind blown.
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Old May 21 2013, 10:54 PM   #37
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I guess we can use the Final Frontier title again?
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Old May 22 2013, 12:00 AM   #38
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Zack claims that he's been winking and nudging about Pon far with the producers at cocktail parties since filming began on the first movie, no luck yet, but he swears that the third movie is going to be a charm.
Given that Zoe Saldana apparently has no problem with nudity and sex scenes, this could be quite interesting.


If they flip everything again.

T'Pring is going to have fight Uhura to the death for Spock's hand in marriage.
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Old May 22 2013, 12:04 AM   #39
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A little too coincidental if T'Pring isn't dead..

Wait. Why was T'Pau officiating at Spock's wedding again? Was she related to T'Pring?
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Old May 22 2013, 01:12 AM   #40
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The only person to ever turn down a seat on the Federation Council?

She was famous, Sarek was famous, famous people stick together.
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Old May 22 2013, 07:19 AM   #41
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I wonder what T'Pring's standing on Vulcan was after this. Was she seen to have manipulated the system? I bet there were a few who admired her ability to get out of marrying a half breed while still playing by the rules.
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Old May 24 2013, 11:01 AM   #42
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Not that I am going to buy the comic, but Nero and V'Ger? timeline? alternate? when is V'Ger coming to Earth? will Krik have to deal with it again? and tha whale probe? my brain hurts. I'd be much happier if they just had said "it's a reboot" in the first time.

IIRC, he warped to the Delta Quadrant to meet V'ger. And somehow the sheer force of Nero's rage and hate prevented V'ger from digitizing him.
Anyone here like me, the first time I heard the word "reboot" applied to a movie it was the Incredible Hulk? After that fiasco of Ang Lee's in 2003? which has a Hulk that no smash? which starred ERIC BANA, NERO himself ? aaaauughh my poor brain
I'm not sure if they used the term "reboot" back then, but my first experience with the concept was Batman in 1989. I preferred the old Adam West series
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Old May 24 2013, 11:24 AM   #43
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Not that I am going to buy the comic, but Nero and V'Ger? timeline? alternate? when is V'Ger coming to Earth? will Krik have to deal with it again? and tha whale probe? my brain hurts. I'd be much happier if they just had said "it's a reboot" in the first time.

IIRC, he warped to the Delta Quadrant to meet V'ger. And somehow the sheer force of Nero's rage and hate prevented V'ger from digitizing him.
Anyone here like me, the first time I heard the word "reboot" applied to a movie it was the Incredible Hulk? After that fiasco of Ang Lee's in 2003? which has a Hulk that no smash? which starred ERIC BANA, NERO himself ? aaaauughh my poor brain
I'm not sure if they used the term "reboot" back then, but my first experience with the concept was Batman in 1989. I preferred the old Adam West series
Holy hell. The whole Nero learning to mind meld, and then melding with V'Ger was even worse than I imagined. Can you get more fanficking? Well we know Nero learned to mind meld. If he did why would he torture Captain Pike with a mind control throat slug for information about StarFleets defense codes rather than a mind meld?

I would say JJ, and the film team are above fanfic writing but after some of the scenes in STID, it gives me pause.
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Old May 26 2013, 10:21 PM   #44
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I think Voyager would have escaped Narada. Narada looked to have Neutronium missiles that ignored shields--with a bit newer tech.
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