RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,133
Posts: 5,401,655
Members: 24,746
Currently online: 477
Newest member: retrodynamic

TrekToday headlines

September-October Trek Conventions And Appearances
By: T'Bonz on Aug 29

Lee Passes
By: T'Bonz on Aug 29

Trek Merchandise Sale
By: T'Bonz on Aug 28

Star Trek #39 Villain Revealed
By: T'Bonz on Aug 28

Trek Big Bang Figures
By: T'Bonz on Aug 28

Star Trek Seekers Cover Art
By: T'Bonz on Aug 27

Fan Film Axanar Kickstarter Success
By: T'Bonz on Aug 27

Two New Starship Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Aug 26

Trek Actor Wins Emmy
By: T'Bonz on Aug 26

Trek Retro Watches
By: T'Bonz on Aug 26


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies XI+

Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old May 20 2013, 09:57 PM   #91
TommyW
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Rhaven wrote: View Post
imranbecks wrote: View Post
malchya wrote: View Post
The battered but triumphant Enterprise rising from the clouds. Brought a lump to my throat and I may have had a speck of sentiment in my eye.
That moment gave me goosebumps!
Same here!
That would have given me goosebumps if it wasn't for the 2 "Enterprise rising from" sequences we've already seen in the reboots
TommyW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 20 2013, 10:03 PM   #92
sj4iy
Commander
 
sj4iy's Avatar
 
Location: US
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Psion wrote: View Post
Crazyewok wrote: View Post
Psion wrote: View Post

Only in this movie does Khan's blood have the power demonstrated. It was never mentioned in "Space Seed" or Star Trek II, and he couldn't use it to save his beloved wife before Wrath of Khan.
But augment DNA was used in Enterprise and had Augment style treatment in DS9.

They say blood in Into darkness but im guessing its just a simple way of saying stem cells. Remember JJ Abrahams thinks the audiance stupid.
And what amazing resurrection properties did augment DNA demonstrate in either Enterprise or DS9? And don't say stem cells in this context because we're talking about a technique unknown to Federation medicine. Remember, this cured a little girl of a terminal disease and brought both Kirk and a tribble back from the dead. Stem cells don't do that. Federation doctors can't do that. But the blood of a selective breeding subject from the mid 20th century can? That strains credulity ... we've strayed into vampire or comic book territory now.

CorporalClegg, the Ceti Alpha eels were a little convenient, but there was nothing magical about their survival ... Khan kept them alive, possibly to help ensure his control of the others, possibly as a morbid reminder of his dead wife. Perhaps he tormented his "pets" in retribution. But if you want magic in Wrath of Khan, then look no further than the ridiculous Genesis Device ... and guess what? I didn't like that thing either. So there's no double-standard.
Certain proteins can help repair damaged cells. Why do people get cancer? Because the cell's DNA has mutated and it reproduces all throughout the body until the normal cells can no longer function. As we get older, our cells lose the ability to replicate themselves cleanly which is why older people get cancer more frequently, and it's also why a traumatic event will be more deadly for an old person. Death is caused when the cells in vital organs can no longer replicate or replace themselves (excluding the brain- any damage to vital areas of the brain will also cause death).

If augment blood can repair or replace dead or dying cells, which seems to be the case, then there's your answer. How? We don't know, we're not told, other than platelets (which, really, don't help in this case), but obviously there's something else in the augment's blood that can do it (stem cells included). This article explains the stem cells found in regular blood. Scientists right now are studying ways to promote cell repair and replication because they believe it is the key to helping humans live longer and healthier lives (the study of Progeria is helping scientists understand why people are prone to heart disease and stroke as we age).

So at least there's a theory- at least it's not a magic box like the Genesis Device.

Last edited by sj4iy; May 20 2013 at 10:15 PM.
sj4iy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 20 2013, 10:17 PM   #93
JJohnson
Captain
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

I was a bit annoyed, as with the 2009 movie, with Chekov being on the ship in the 2250s, when he was only 10-15 years old (he was born in 2245). Sulu was born in 2237, so during the first movie, he should've been in the academy and not even have graduated yet.

I enjoyed Carol Marcus being there, but I wish there was a bit more sympathy, relationship building between her and Kirk to justify her line about being glad having a family, a bit more foreshadowing. Showing us Gary Mitchell in this film as one of Kirk's friends from the academy would've been really nice.

I still dislike this version of the Enterprise for having such a ridiculously small and misshapen engineering section that can't hold the huge brewery/engineering section it's supposedly got, and the warp core here apparently doesn't have any dilithium regulating the reaction.

I did like Spock's cameo, and the nod to Star Trek 2: "you'd better come down here. better...hurry."
JJohnson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 20 2013, 10:31 PM   #94
King Daniel Into Darkness
Admiral
 
King Daniel Into Darkness's Avatar
 
Location: England again
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

JJohnson wrote: View Post
I was a bit annoyed, as with the 2009 movie, with Chekov being on the ship in the 2250s, when he was only 10-15 years old (he was born in 2245). Sulu was born in 2237, so during the first movie, he should've been in the academy and not even have graduated yet.
Chekov was 17 in the 2009 movie, they changed his age.
I still dislike this version of the Enterprise for having such a ridiculously small and misshapen engineering section that can't hold the huge brewery/engineering section it's supposedly got, and the warp core here apparently doesn't have any dilithium regulating the reaction.
They made the Enterprise much bigger in the 2009 movie, 725m long over the original's 289. Engineering fits just fine in there.
__________________
Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3
King Daniel Into Darkness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 20 2013, 10:34 PM   #95
CorporalClegg
Admiral
 
CorporalClegg's Avatar
 
Location: Where my heart is.
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

King Daniel wrote: View Post
They made the Enterprise much bigger in the 2009 movie, 725m long over the original's 289. Engineering fits just fine in there.
Speaking of, has it been stated how big Vengeance is? It must be the size of a small moon.
CorporalClegg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 20 2013, 10:36 PM   #96
sj4iy
Commander
 
sj4iy's Avatar
 
Location: US
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

JJohnson wrote: View Post
I enjoyed Carol Marcus being there, but I wish there was a bit more sympathy, relationship building between her and Kirk to justify her line about being glad having a family, a bit more foreshadowing. Showing us Gary Mitchell in this film as one of Kirk's friends from the academy would've been really nice.
Her father was murdered. She's just making a statement, not anything about her relationship with Kirk.
sj4iy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 20 2013, 10:41 PM   #97
Chemahkuu
Vice Admiral
 
Chemahkuu's Avatar
 
Location: United Kingdom
Send a message via Yahoo to Chemahkuu
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

CorporalClegg wrote: View Post
King Daniel wrote: View Post
They made the Enterprise much bigger in the 2009 movie, 725m long over the original's 289. Engineering fits just fine in there.
Speaking of, has it been stated how big Vengeance is? It must be the size of a small moon.
1450m or so. Taller than most of our largest skyscrapers but dwarfed by the average large American city.

Or, about a quarter of the size of the NuGalactica.
Chemahkuu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 20 2013, 11:10 PM   #98
bullethead
Fleet Captain
 
bullethead's Avatar
 
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Chemahkuu wrote: View Post
CorporalClegg wrote: View Post
King Daniel wrote: View Post
They made the Enterprise much bigger in the 2009 movie, 725m long over the original's 289. Engineering fits just fine in there.
Speaking of, has it been stated how big Vengeance is? It must be the size of a small moon.
1450m or so. Taller than most of our largest skyscrapers but dwarfed by the average large American city.

Or, about a quarter of the size of the NuGalactica.
Uh... the nuPrise is 3/4 the length of the nuGalactica. The Vengeance is probably as long as or longer than the nuPegasus.
__________________
A business man and engineer discuss how to launch a communications satellite in the 1960s:
Biz Dev Guy: Your communications satellite has to be the size, shape, and weight of a hydrogen bomb.
bullethead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21 2013, 11:03 AM   #99
Loli Machinegun
Cadet
 
Location: Arizona
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

let's make a quick list of all the bad shit about it

>Blue Bussard cells.
>The warp effects being so different from the first movie's badass effects.
>Enterprise working in-atmosphere .
>Making the USS Vengeance BLACK 'N SCARY.
>Khan not being played by someone who looked like Fabio.
>Not even batting an eye at the hundreds (thousands maybe) that died when the USS Vengeance crashed into Starfleet Academy and fucking leveled half of San Fransisco.
>The first scene having no explanation.
>The first scene's plan being fucking terribly thought out and executed (Bungee jump into a volcano and see what happens, Spock.)
>The gunship not blasting Pike into bits when it hits him with its disruptor cannon. Shit, they made that thing sound and feel so beefy, I'd expect it to fucking gib him.
>When the Admiral's head gets mushed, his daughter is all smiles the next day. Sure he was a dick, but I'd be pretty fucking traumatized after that.
>Some other little things that also don't really matter, because I nitpick everything.

Alright, now for the good shit

>Starting it off with a TOS-style alien world with badass makeup on the natives, and generally good art direction.
>The art direction in general.
>The fucking Klingon patrol ships on Kronos, god DAMN that was awesome.
>Khan[ lifting that giant cannon thing that subsequently ripped people's limbs off with each shot.
>Actually surprising me in being Wrath of Khan Two: Electric Bugaloo. When he made the reveal I knew a few seconds beforehand that he was probably going to be Khan, but it still got me to WOAH a bit. I think they handled it pretty well.
>Catgirls.
>Showing the warp core (the fuck was that? Did they film it at CERN or something? It looked expensive).
>The effects.
>The acting, shit. Damn near everyone was amazing. Kirk made a good Kirk, Spock could walk the walk, Bones was a dick with bad lines (as he should be), Cho made an adequate Sulu, that little Russian kid made a pretty good Chekhov, and McCoy is on par with Pine's acting. Damn great crew they chose.
>When Khan mushes the Admiral's head. That fucking crunch, Jesus.

Overall, a very entertaining movie. Very well done aside from a few artistic liberties they took, really.

8.8/10
Loli Machinegun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21 2013, 12:21 PM   #100
ATimson
Rear Admiral
 
ATimson's Avatar
 
Location: Andrew Timson
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
let's make a quick list of all the bad shit about it

>Blue Bussard cells.
Why does the color matter? Would you have preferred none, like the Prime movie era ships?

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
>The warp effects being so different from the first movie's badass effects.
The "in subspace" effect was the same; the "jump to warp" effect was substantially the same, just with the "trail" added. And more than justified by the extensive engineering refits the ship has apparently had.

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
>Enterprise working in-atmosphere .
Just like "Tomorrow is Yesterday". (Now, if you wanted to complain about it working underwater... )

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
>Making the USS Vengeance BLACK 'N SCARY.
The ship is off the books already (because who at Starfleet in their right minds would accept a ship with that name). What's a few buckets of paint at that point?

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
>Not even batting an eye at the hundreds (thousands maybe) that died when the USS Vengeance crashed into Starfleet Academy and fucking leveled half of San Fransisco.
The Enterprise crew wasn't exactly in a position to bat an eye at that point. Kirk did acknowledge the heavy death toll in his scene at the end. What else would you have liked to have seen done here?

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
>The first scene having no explanation.
>The first scene's plan being fucking terribly thought out and executed (Bungee jump into a volcano and see what happens, Spock.)
I thought it explained itself pretty well. And it wasn't supposed to be a bungee jump!

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
>When the Admiral's head gets mushed, his daughter is all smiles the next day. Sure he was a dick, but I'd be pretty fucking traumatized after that.
"The next day"? That scene was almost a year later.

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
>Showing the warp core (the fuck was that? Did they film it at CERN or something? It looked expensive).
Lawrence Livermore Laboratory's National Ignition Facility.
__________________
Andrew Timson
===============
"Niceness is the greatest human flaw, except for all the others." - Brendan Moody

"...don't mistake a few fans bitching on the Internet for any kind of trend." - Keith R.A. DeCandido
ATimson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21 2013, 12:24 PM   #101
Jarok
Fleet Captain
 
Jarok's Avatar
 
Location: 40 Eridani A
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

The whole thing was flat out fun. Cumberbatch was a raging Khan without chewing the scenery. Quinto's Spock was spot on again. Seldana's Uhura was so cool and badass, Pegg's Scotty, Yetlsin's Chekhov, were also good. Urban's McCoy is like watching a young DeForest Kelley, Alice Eve's Carol Marcus was super smart and smokin hot; and Pine once again captured Jim Kirk without doing a Shatner impression. But most of all it was a great summer popcorn movie. For as much as I love the superhero flicks, Star Trek Into Darkness is the best summer flick so far.
__________________
"In the end there were those who chose Surak and logic and those who chose to march under the Raptor's wings."
Jarok is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21 2013, 02:47 PM   #102
JJohnson
Captain
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
let's make a quick list of all the bad shit about it

>Blue Bussard cells.
>The warp effects being so different from the first movie's badass effects.
>Enterprise working in-atmosphere .
>Making the USS Vengeance BLACK 'N SCARY.
>Khan not being played by someone who looked like Fabio.
>Not even batting an eye at the hundreds (thousands maybe) that died when the USS Vengeance crashed into Starfleet Academy and fucking leveled half of San Fransisco.
>The first scene having no explanation.
>The first scene's plan being fucking terribly thought out and executed (Bungee jump into a volcano and see what happens, Spock.)
>The gunship not blasting Pike into bits when it hits him with its disruptor cannon. Shit, they made that thing sound and feel so beefy, I'd expect it to fucking gib him.
>When the Admiral's head gets mushed, his daughter is all smiles the next day. Sure he was a dick, but I'd be pretty fucking traumatized after that.
>Some other little things that also don't really matter, because I nitpick everything.

Alright, now for the good shit

>Starting it off with a TOS-style alien world with badass makeup on the natives, and generally good art direction.
>The art direction in general.
>The fucking Klingon patrol ships on Kronos, god DAMN that was awesome.
>Khan[ lifting that giant cannon thing that subsequently ripped people's limbs off with each shot.
>Actually surprising me in being Wrath of Khan Two: Electric Bugaloo. When he made the reveal I knew a few seconds beforehand that he was probably going to be Khan, but it still got me to WOAH a bit. I think they handled it pretty well.
>Catgirls.
>Showing the warp core (the fuck was that? Did they film it at CERN or something? It looked expensive).
>The effects.
>The acting, shit. Damn near everyone was amazing. Kirk made a good Kirk, Spock could walk the walk, Bones was a dick with bad lines (as he should be), Cho made an adequate Sulu, that little Russian kid made a pretty good Chekhov, and McCoy is on par with Pine's acting. Damn great crew they chose.
>When Khan mushes the Admiral's head. That fucking crunch, Jesus.

Overall, a very entertaining movie. Very well done aside from a few artistic liberties they took, really.

8.8/10
I agree - the warp effects don't feel right. It feels like exhaust from a car instead of an actual spaceship...What kind of particles are those being emitted from those style warp nacelles?

I was also really really hoping Admiral Marcus would say, "dead or alive, you're coming with me." in homage of his character in Robocop.

And Khan/Harrison could've been more physically intimidating. Ricardo Montalban was more physically there, and he was an intellectual, whereas Harrison was just more of a murderer who used people.
JJohnson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21 2013, 03:04 PM   #103
sj4iy
Commander
 
sj4iy's Avatar
 
Location: US
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Loli Machinegun wrote: View Post
let's make a quick list of all the bad shit about it
>Blue Bussard cells.

-Agree with the other poster that color doesn't really matter.


>The warp effects being so different from the first movie's badass effects.

-Again, agree that it was refitted. I found it cool, actually.


>Enterprise working in-atmosphere.

-Well, considering the Enterprise was built ON Earth, I think it would be a HUUUUGE oversight for it to not be able to work within it's atmosphere.


>Making the USS Vengeance BLACK 'N SCARY.

-Why wouldn't they? It's a warship, not an apple store. Plus side: Less lensflare.


>Khan not being played by someone who looked like Fabio.

-Alright, major qualm here. If Khan had been played by anyone else, the role would have been cheesy and overdone. Cumberbatch had the subtlety to play it menacingly AND sympathetically. IMO, he was the best part of the movie. Plus he's the type of actor that his personality and acting ability make him attractive. Just ask the swarms of female fans of Sherlock if he's sexy or not.


>Not even batting an eye at the hundreds (thousands maybe) that died when the USS Vengeance crashed into Starfleet Academy and fucking leveled half of San Fransisco.

-I'm sure they cared, but ATM, they were trying to find Khan. Plus they were still just happy that it wasn't them that crashed.


>The first scene having no explanation.

-Why does it need one? It was there to set up the movie, we don't have to know the backstory. It reminds me of an episode of the BBC Sherlock where he just suddenly walks holding a harpoon and covered in blood, mad that he had to take the tube because no cab would take him. We don't need to know WHAT he was doing, it's just a great setup.


>The first scene's plan being fucking terribly thought out and executed (Bungee jump into a volcano and see what happens, Spock.)

-Again, we don't know what the thought process was getting there, so I'm prepared to take it on face value.


>The gunship not blasting Pike into bits when it hits him with its disruptor cannon. Shit, they made that thing sound and feel so beefy, I'd expect it to fucking gib him.

-Didn't seem "That Beefy" to me- he just needed something that could shoot a lot. Personally, I think it would have been laughable had it blown up people.


>When the Admiral's head gets mushed, his daughter is all smiles the next day. Sure he was a dick, but I'd be pretty fucking traumatized after that.

-Not the next day, a year later at a dedication ceremony.


>Some other little things that also don't really matter, because I nitpick everything.

-That's fine, there are little nitpicks. It's just whether they bother you enough to hate the movie.

Last edited by sj4iy; May 21 2013 at 03:16 PM.
sj4iy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21 2013, 03:09 PM   #104
Ensign Ro-
Commander
 
Ensign Ro-'s Avatar
 
Location: Maine, USA
View Ensign Ro-'s Twitter Profile
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Well acted...well directed...well paced. Awful, lazy, pandering, hole-filled script writing.

5 out of 10
Ensign Ro- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21 2013, 03:34 PM   #105
sonak
Vice Admiral
 
Location: in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination
Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Ensign Ro- wrote: View Post
Well acted...well directed...well paced. Awful, lazy, pandering, hole-filled script writing.

5 out of 10

did you think it was better written, worse written, or about the same as Star Trek XI?
sonak is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:40 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.