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Old May 18 2013, 01:33 AM   #16
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Re: What did Kruge's dog die of?

It`s not a targ. Targs are pigoids.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:05 AM   #17
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It's not a Targ. The targ was invented afterwards and looks nothing like this animal, nor it has any reason to.
So?

By this logic, pugs aren't dogs because they don't look like German Shepherds.
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Old May 19 2013, 05:25 AM   #18
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It's not a Targ. The targ was invented afterwards and looks nothing like this animal, nor it has any reason to.
So?

By this logic, pugs aren't dogs because they don't look like German Shepherds.
The animal in III doesn't look like a targ, doesn't walk like a targ, doesn't quack like a targ. The only thing it has in common with a targ is that both appeared in Star Trek, and one of them only from TNG on.

If Kirk found it in the ship after the movie he probably barbecued it since there is no meat to eat in Vulcan.

Now, pugs? what pugs? and you talk about my logic?

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Old May 19 2013, 05:32 AM   #19
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Re: What did Kruge's dog die of?

It's those damn chicken jerkey Targ treats that were made in China.
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Old May 19 2013, 08:49 AM   #20
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It's not a Targ. The targ was invented afterwards and looks nothing like this animal, nor it has any reason to.
We had this debate on the TrekBBS a few years ago. The animal featured in ST III was a Klingon canine with reptilian qualities. The production crew called it Fifi Rebozo. The novelization called it Warrigal (ie. after the Australian dingo, a native dog).

When they had a child playing one in the Universal Studios "A Star Trek Adventure", they credited it as a "puppy lizard".

The script of ST VI described those white doglike creatures on Rura Penthe as "jackal mastifs".

The first targ featured in Trek was in early TNG, when a real boar was dressed up in latex appliance spikes.
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Old May 19 2013, 10:05 AM   #21
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It's not a Targ. The targ was invented afterwards and looks nothing like this animal, nor it has any reason to.
So?

By this logic, pugs aren't dogs because they don't look like German Shepherds.
The animal in III doesn't look like a targ, doesn't walk like a targ, doesn't quack like a targ. The only thing it has in common with a targ is that both appeared in Star Trek, and one of them only from TNG on.

If Kirk found it in the ship after the movie he probably barbecued it since there is no meat to eat in Vulcan.

Now, pugs? what pugs? and you talk about my logic?

I don't get how my pug comment was confusing or illogical. Pugs are dogs. German Shepherds are also dogs. Pugs and German Shepherds look quite different. Thus illustrating the fact that two different animals can belong to the same group, despite looking very different.

Likewise, even though the animal in III didn't look like the targ we saw as Worf's pet, that doesn't mean that the III snimal wasn't a targ.

We've got this image, which we know for a fact is a targ:



We also have this CGI Targ from Enterprise:



Now, I think this creature is certianly similar enough to be in the same category:



After all, we have two creatures, both called targs, which are quite different. The first one is furry with just a few spikes. The second one has many more spikes, no fur and a large horny ridge on its nose. If two animals with such different looks can both be targs, I don't see why the Trek III critter can't as well.
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Old May 19 2013, 11:51 AM   #22
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If two animals with such different looks can both be targs, I don't see why the Trek III critter can't as well.
Are pigs and dogs the same species, or are they simply both mammals?
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Old May 19 2013, 01:00 PM   #23
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If two animals with such different looks can both be targs, I don't see why the Trek III critter can't as well.
Are pigs and dogs the same species, or are they simply both mammals?
No, they are different.

However, this is irrelevant to the point that I am making.

And my point is that we can't say that Kruge's pet wasn't a targ simply on the basis that it didn't look like the other targs that we saw.

It's like saying Porthos couldn't be a dog because he doesn't look like Lassie.
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Old May 19 2013, 02:03 PM   #24
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And my point is that we can't say that Kruge's pet wasn't a targ simply on the basis that it didn't look like the other targs that we saw.
As I said earlier, this is the same debate that unfolded here a few years ago. The creators of Kruge's pet - and the jackal/mastifs of ST VI - were based on canines. The targs of TNG and ENT were based on pigs.

The canine-like creatures have paws. The ERTL toy has paws.

The pig-like targs have trotters. The Playmates and Meanie Beanie toy targs have trotters.

Of course, the word "targ" may simply mean "pet". We cannot make a definitive ruling as we have incomplete information.
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Old May 19 2013, 07:15 PM   #25
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Not a targ:

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Old May 20 2013, 02:53 PM   #26
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Vincentorg: Want some Klingon bacon?

Kuh-less: No man, I don't eat Klingon pork.

Vincentorg: Are you Jewish?

Kuh-less: Nah, I ain't Jewish, I just don't dig on Klingon swine, that's all.

Vincentorg: Why not?

Kuh-less: targs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.

Vincentorg: Klingon Bacon tastes gooood. Klingon Pork chops taste gooood.

Kuh-less: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know
'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker. Targs sleep and root in
shit. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got sense
enough to disregard its own feces.

Vincentorg: How about a lizard-dog? lizard-dogs eats its own feces.

Kuh-less: I don't eat lizard-dog either.

Vincentorg: Yeah, but do you consider a lizard-dog to be a filthy animal?

Kuh-less: I wouldn't go so far as to call a lizard-dog filthy but they're
definitely dirty. But, a lizard-dog's got personality. Personality goes a
long way.

Vincentorg: Ah, so by that rationale, if a targ had a better personality,
he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?

Kuh-less: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charming motherfuckin'
targ. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Okona
on TNG, you know what I'm sayin'?
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Old May 20 2013, 04:36 PM   #27
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Electrocuted - the torpedo hit apparently caused a power overload.
A common problem in the Star Trek universe.
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Old May 20 2013, 10:08 PM   #28
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Electrocuted - the torpedo hit apparently caused a power overload.
A common problem in the Star Trek universe.
only until they perfected SFX of people flying, then they died of being sucked out to space. See VOY, ENT, ST09 and Q Who remastered below:







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Old May 21 2013, 03:09 AM   #29
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But...he didn't die...he went to romp around at the Happyvale Targy Farm...didn't he...?

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