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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 143 19.32%
A 160 21.62%
A- 99 13.38%
B+ 82 11.08%
B 58 7.84%
B- 27 3.65%
C+ 40 5.41%
C 38 5.14%
C- 24 3.24%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
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F 35 4.73%
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Old May 20 2013, 05:02 PM   #3271
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Yes, because regular transporters are so within the field of plausibility.
Well actually they may not work exactly as Trek says, but scientists are working on it. But what they're working on sounds more like the duplicate at a remote location then destroy the original. They've successfully "beamed" photons in the lab so far.

And they're working on Warp drive. In the 90's A physicist from Mexico came up when a formula for warp drive. But it required too much power to work. But recently they've found if you create the field in a certain way it may be doable.
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Old May 20 2013, 05:17 PM   #3272
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That was one of my minor quibbles is that it took only a few minutes to get from Earth to Quo nos (ITS SPELT WITH A Q DAMMIT !!!!) but the then its not really a sin confined to JJ Abraham's is it?

Im ok with the magic blood due to augment treatment being used to transform Bashir from retard into Genius. So it has already been kinda established.

As for the Vengeance only having a crew of one it was started that if NESSARY it could be crewed by one not that one was the optimal number of crew.

Transwarp beaming? against if I remember correctly section 31 had this tec in DS9 to get agents on and off stations.
It could be argued that this tec was considered a huge security risk and as such suppressed in case it fell into the hands of the Klingons or Romulans. It could also be risky too hence why its not widely adopted.
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Old May 20 2013, 05:42 PM   #3273
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(ITS SPELT WITH A Q DAMMIT !!!!)
I let that pass as soon as I saw it, because I figure it's done that way for the same reason that Romulans were bald with facial tattoos in the previous film. The thought being that if you don't spell "Qu'Onos" the way it sounds, then the general audience (i.e. non-Trekkies) won't get it. Just like making the Romulans distinguishable in appearance from Vulcans allows you to skip a certain amount of exposition about the shared history of the two races and just get on with the parts of the story that are directly connected to the story you're trying to tell.

Not that I completely agree with either decision, but I've seen Trek film screenwriters commit worse offenses, and I can at least rationalize these choices.
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Old May 20 2013, 05:51 PM   #3274
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http://www.trektoday.com/content/201...er-darkness-2/



For fans hungry for more after seeing Star Trek into Darkness, a new comic debuting later this month will be of interest.

IDW Publishing‘s Star Trek after Darkness will continue the story after Star Trek into Darkness.

Star Trek after Darkness is written by Mike Johnson, illustrated by Erfan Fajar, and overseen by Roberto Orci.

“You’ll see immediately on the first page of [the story] that it’s very much a sequel in terms of plot,” said Johnson. “Things happen in the movie that can’t be ignored going forward, and we will see the repercussions play out over the months to come. It’s also a character-based sequel, as we see how the crew reacts to the events of the movie, and what it means for their relationships going forward.”

“You can read the comics as a lead-in to the movies, and then come back to the comics after you see the movies and feel like the story is continuing seamlessly,” said Johnson. “This is really possible thanks to Bob Orci godfathering the comics creatively, ensuring that it all feels like one big story playing out across different media.
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Old May 20 2013, 05:52 PM   #3275
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In the "homage scene" for example, Giacchino provides NO music. At all.
100% agree... in WOK Kirk was running thru the ship with that wonderful score playing, tugging at your heart strings. In Into Darkness we heard Spocks shoes go clickity clack...
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Old May 20 2013, 05:54 PM   #3276
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2) The new-ish look for the Klingons. The helmets look like something that belongs on a Predator, and once said helmets are removed, every Klingon depicted looks indistinguishable from the next
T'was always so, methinks.
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Old May 20 2013, 05:55 PM   #3277
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In the "homage scene" for example, Giacchino provides NO music. At all.
100% agree... in WOK Kirk was running thru the ship with that wonderful score playing, tugging at your heart strings. In Into Darkness we heard Spocks shoes go clickity clack...
Is it completely up to the composer where to add music? Or could this be the directors and or producers choice?
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Old May 20 2013, 06:11 PM   #3278
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In the "homage scene" for example, Giacchino provides NO music. At all.
100% agree... in WOK Kirk was running thru the ship with that wonderful score playing, tugging at your heart strings. In Into Darkness we heard Spocks shoes go clickity clack...
Is it completely up to the composer where to add music? Or could this be the directors and or producers choice?
Regardless of whose choice it is, I just think the scene works better with that swelling score that accentuates Kirk's sense of panic in TWOK.
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Old May 20 2013, 06:16 PM   #3279
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Regardless of whose choice it is, I just think the scene works better with that swelling score that accentuates Kirk's sense of panic in TWOK.
Agreed. My favorite track on the ST:TWOK soundtrack is Genesis Countdown.
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Old May 20 2013, 06:18 PM   #3280
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The official spelling is Kronos.
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Old May 20 2013, 06:55 PM   #3281
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I haven't read this entire 219 page thread but was there some kind of explanation how Khan's men ended up in the torpedoes other than he snuck them in there? That's the one part that didn't make a lot of sense to me. So Khan is working on these torpedos by himself? In a room full of cryo tubes?

I rated it a "B", a solid Trek outing and I'd like to see more films of this type. The original ST 2009 had the "newness" factor that put it in "A" territory for me.
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Old May 20 2013, 07:17 PM   #3282
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One thing I really think worked well in both movies was having Pike as Kirk's mentor. We never got to see Capt. Garrovick in the original series but Kirk had similiar reactions to their deaths.


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Old May 20 2013, 07:21 PM   #3283
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100% agree... in WOK Kirk was running thru the ship with that wonderful score playing, tugging at your heart strings. In Into Darkness we heard Spocks shoes go clickity clack...
Is it completely up to the composer where to add music? Or could this be the directors and or producers choice?
Regardless of whose choice it is, I just think the scene works better with that swelling score that accentuates Kirk's sense of panic in TWOK.
Sometimes a good performance doesn't need music to carry it.
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Old May 20 2013, 07:24 PM   #3284
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2) The new-ish look for the Klingons. The helmets look like something that belongs on a Predator, and once said helmets are removed, every Klingon depicted looks indistinguishable from the next.
I've only seen it three times, but I only thought one Klingon took off his helmet?
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Old May 20 2013, 07:32 PM   #3285
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Is it completely up to the composer where to add music? Or could this be the directors and or producers choice?
Regardless of whose choice it is, I just think the scene works better with that swelling score that accentuates Kirk's sense of panic in TWOK.
Sometimes a good performance doesn't need music to carry it.
This one did, cause it was just lame. You know they're not going to kill him yet. They telegraph it throughout the movie they can cheat death. You didn't know that the first time you saw TWOK. But I guess it moves so fast, maybe the average viewer doesn't notice.

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