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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "The Name Of The Doctor"
Merlin 111 72.08%
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Old May 20 2013, 03:10 PM   #271
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Okay, maybe this is totally reaching (also super fanwanky), but it's Moffat, so who knows?

With the re-introduction of Library River, I really can't help feeling that we might find ourselves back there. Could there be any significance to the episode title "Silence in the Library?" Eh?
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Old May 20 2013, 03:16 PM   #272
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If Clara hadn't intervened this would have been the Fall of the 11th Doctor. The Silence didn't want the Doctor to live to open the door and let the GH undo all of the Doctor's victories and leave the Universe in ruin. It was better to kill him early than to have his previous battles undone.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:18 PM   #273
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If Clara hadn't intervened this would have been the Fall of the 11th Doctor. The Silence didn't want the Doctor to live to open the door and let the GH undo all of the Doctor's victories and leave the Universe in ruin. It was better to kill him early than to have his previous battles undone.
I get that. I guess I just figured that the Silence would actually be there. If all else fails, Trenzalore would be their one last chance to stop him.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:21 PM   #274
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Silence will fall when the Question is asked. Well, the Question was asked. What exactly was supposed to happen? Why was Madame Kovarian so crabby?
Well, we've seen what was supposed to happen, haven't we? Billions of people dead, history rewriting itself. The Silents were just trying to prevent all that from happening, they were the good guys! Hell, I'm sure one of them works with Madame Vastra and we've just forgotten about him!

Also, it must be said that the short scene in which the Doctor was crying was heartbreaking and very well acted.
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If Clara hadn't intervened this would have been the Fall of the 11th Doctor. The Silence didn't want the Doctor to live to open the door and let the GH undo all of the Doctor's victories and leave the Universe in ruin. It was better to kill him early than to have his previous battles undone.
I get that. I guess I just figured that the Silence would actually be there. If all else fails, Trenzalore would be their one last chance to stop him.
Why would they be there? Their agent killed the Doctor by Lake Silencio
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Old May 20 2013, 03:22 PM   #275
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I get that. I guess I just figured that the Silence would actually be there.
They were. They even broke a glass panel on the TARDIS' front door.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:22 PM   #276
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Why would they be there? Their agent killed the Doctor by Lake Silencio
That...is a very good point.

I would have worked that out eventually. This is what I get for watching things first thing in the morning.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:23 PM   #277
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I get that. I guess I just figured that the Silence would actually be there.
They were. They even broke a glass panel on the TARDIS' front door.
Pretty sure that was from the fall.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:43 PM   #278
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Well, The TARDIS did fall at/to Trenzalore with 11 in it.

Silence did fall when the question was asked and The Doctor didn't say anything at first
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Old May 20 2013, 06:19 PM   #279
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Well, The TARDIS did fall at/to Trenzalore with 11 in it.

Silence did fall when the question was asked and The Doctor didn't say anything at first
Maybe the Silence were involved in a battle that the Doctor helped prevent or stop? Him being undone by the GI would mean that they would've been defeated or completely eradicated. So him answering the question, and allowing the GI to do what he did, would result in their fall.
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Old May 20 2013, 06:21 PM   #280
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If Clara hadn't intervened this would have been the Fall of the 11th Doctor. The Silence didn't want the Doctor to live to open the door and let the GH undo all of the Doctor's victories and leave the Universe in ruin. It was better to kill him early than to have his previous battles undone.
No no no.

If the Doctor had fallen here then it would have been a paradox because he would have fallen before he was supposed to have fallen. This is his future where he "fell in battle". The silence might be referring to that event. I don't see the Tardis falling out of the sky as being more significant than his actual death fall in battle.
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If Clara hadn't intervened this would have been the Fall of the 11th Doctor. The Silence didn't want the Doctor to live to open the door and let the GH undo all of the Doctor's victories and leave the Universe in ruin. It was better to kill him early than to have his previous battles undone.
No no no.

If the Doctor had fallen here then it would have been a paradox because he would have fallen before he was supposed to have fallen. This is his future where he "fell in battle". The silence might be referring to that event. I don't see the Tardis falling out of the sky as being more significant than his actual death fall in battle.
Sure, but the GH going back in time and defeating/killing the Doctor over and over in the past created a paradox as well, since if the Doctor died at Adrozani, the Dalek Asylum, or in Victorian England (or all three and then some) then he could never have died at Trenzalore, leaving behind the means for the GH to go back and kill him.
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Old May 20 2013, 06:49 PM   #282
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The phrase "silence will fall" could refer to the Doctor's victories turning into death. "The Stars are going out". Which we saw in TNOTD, no stars could = no life hence silence.
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This has been mentioned once or twice so far but Clara being on Gallifrey before the First Doctor sets out on his adventures is interesting. Does that in fact mean The Time Lock was broken or was it something like The Time Lords using a loophole to send the White-Point Star diamond to Earth out of The Time War?
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This has been mentioned once or twice so far but Clara being on Gallifrey before the First Doctor sets out on his adventures is interesting. Does that in fact mean The Time Lock was broken or was it something like The Time Lords using a loophole to send the White-Point Star diamond to Earth out of The Time War?
Could be that the Doctor himself is the only pre-Time War space/time construct that extends (properly) into the post-Time War space/time manifold.

Hence, the Doctor's own timeline is the only portal between the pre- and post-Time War realities.
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Clara could be on Gallifrey because The Doctor was on Gallifrey, she was in his timeline.
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