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Old May 19 2013, 05:04 AM   #76
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Empath
Don't care if it makes a dime I'd love to see it, my fav episode by a wide margin

Then in closing credits a planet killer wiping out a dozen Klingon D-7s
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Old May 20 2013, 05:21 PM   #77
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He didn't say "hey there, sexy lady" (which is crass), he said "Hello ladies, Jim Kirk".
lol - I'm aware that I didn't quote it accurately. I was exaggerating to make a point.

We have to disagree on that one! Though the pinnacle of sex in JJTrek for me is NuSpock.
Eh, Spock never did much for me, and Quinto does even less than Nimoy. But Karl Urban, mmmmm....


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I'm sorry, but I still disagree.

The episode as written and filmed seemed to be an attempt to be 'with it' much like this POS movie that was released by Paramount in the same year as 'The Way To Eden'. If the episode was really about a guru, it could have been filmed without using such obvious signifiers like the colorful hippie clothing and the futuristic 'peace' symbol used by Sevrin and his group. Instead, both are used, and both date the episode completely, instead of fitting in organically into the 23rd century setting.

Also, with all due respect to the writer, I have a hard time believing that life in the United Earth/UFP would be considered so onerous that there would be rebels against it; this belief is just as silly as that of Maurice & Yvette Picard's (and as mentioned by James Van Hise in one of his books, neither the Picard family or the members of Sevrin's party should even have any memory of what life was like in previous centuries to be reenacting it in their daily lives.) As well, the situation between the UFP and the Threat races isn't half as bad as the Cold War (and I'm sorry WarpFactorZ, but the Occupy movement was a reaction against the kind of capitalism we have now; I would think that the human race had learned a lesson about not letting it get out of hand to the degree it's gotten.) A hippie that was transplanted from the 1960's to the 23rd century, having got a glimpse of life in the future, would consider it a paradise, enough that they'd be detesting Sevrin & Co. as phonies with no real grudge (and probably even sitting down Sevrin & Co. to give them a long, frank historical talk about what was going on back in the 1960's during the original flower power movement, why there was one, and why Sevrin's movement/gripe isn't in the same league.) The whole episode would have been much better off filmed as it was supposed to be (as 'Joanna') rather than what was put on screen and transmitted.
Fair enough - and an excellent defense of your position. I agree that the space hippies are silly, but I do think there's a valid idea in Way to Eden. I've known too many neo-hippies myself who get sold on idealism and are shocked to discover their guru's feet of clay. It happened with Obama, honestly. He rode to victory on a wave of idealism that he was somehow a better person than your average politician. Then two years later I'm sitting with my sister on her porch and practically in tears she says, "I guess he's going to be just another president", and I reflected on the disappointment that is inevitable in putting a leader up on a pedestal.
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Old May 20 2013, 07:10 PM   #78
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City on the Edge of Forever - Reset the timeline to it's proper flow.
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Old May 20 2013, 08:27 PM   #79
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Well I would like to see something new but a type of story more along the lines of The Cage or a Forbidden Planet type of story. I want some type of mystery, something you need to try and figure out more than just sit back and watch things blow up or some villain to battle with.
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Old May 20 2013, 08:54 PM   #80
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Re: If you wrote the next one, which original episode would you revisi

I've always wanted a big-screen version of "The Doomsday Machine".

Or at least for the planet killer to be featured in a Star Trek film.
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Old May 20 2013, 09:05 PM   #81
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Nah. "The Doomsday Machine" if anything.
Another larger-than-the-Enterprise super-ship ?
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Old May 21 2013, 04:34 AM   #82
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Fair enough - and an excellent defense of your position. I agree that the space hippies are silly, but I do think there's a valid idea in Way to Eden. I've known too many neo-hippies myself who get sold on idealism and are shocked to discover their guru's feet of clay. It happened with Obama, honestly. He rode to victory on a wave of idealism that he was somehow a better person than your average politician. Then two years later I'm sitting with my sister on her porch and practically in tears she says, "I guess he's going to be just another president", and I reflected on the disappointment that is inevitable in putting a leader up on a pedestal.

That problem in that real-life instance is that the left didn't get off of their asses and get involved with/help to get elected the two alternate political parties that do exist in your country (in particular the candidate that ran for the latter party twice in 2000 and 2004; had the Left done so, the change that your sister and the rest of the left wanted would have happened. Instead, they did the same thing that they always do: protest, protest, and more protest. What inevitably happened, happened. The lesson to be learned by the Left (and they'd better learn it if they want to exercise any political power in the USA in the future) is that protesting is the beginning, NOT the end or the center, of changing things in the USA. The Occupy movement's not going to be as well-regarded as the the Tea Party/Birthers/Birchers, ever, especially since the Left doesn't even bother to vote like the centrists or the right (Reich?)-wing does.

As for what your sister thought Obama did or didn't do, he's a centrist fiscal (and social, in the original sense of the term) conservative who was (and is) hamstrung by members of his party and the opposition in what he wanted to do and accomplish, in addition to being saddled with the mess his predecessor left him, to say nothing of what regulations are put in place allowing the POTUS to carry out what action they want to do. The Left (and your sister) needs to realize that; he can't carry on with imperial power to accomplish what they want for them like Bush did for the right and the corporations. Either he's more principled than the last guy that was POTUS, or he isn't; he can't be an imperial president for your sister and the Left, but not for the right or center.

One other thing before I wrap up; I've noticed that people believe that Obama didn't accomplish anything. Here's an article showing what Obama had (and has) accomplished ( What The "Do Nothing" Obama Has Accomplished That We Choose To Ignore Or Fail To Acknowledge). It's old, but what it says, it says well.
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Old May 21 2013, 05:14 AM   #83
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Now, granted they are plainly playing nuKirk as a younger, more immature version of the character at this point - but anyone who can't walk across a courtyard without giving a wink and a "Hey there, sexy lady" to a passing hottie comes across to me as either trying way too hard to prove he's hetero, or just an asshat.
Or he's a 26 year old sailor who just returned to port after a long and successful* voyage.


*Until Pike bursts that bubble, as someone else pointed out.

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If they have to revisit a classic episode, I think The Doomsday Machine being involved somehow could make for a great story. You'd have to change it up pretty good from the original, maybe involve the Klingons or another race that discovered it and is using it for its own ends.
Yeah, this would be my preferred Klingon story. Make it an analogue to Iran or N. Korea getting "the bomb." It would be a way to do the "mad man with a doomsday weapon" again, but perhaps more thoughtfully.
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Old May 21 2013, 05:23 AM   #84
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As I've said many times:

"Balance of Terror."

I just think it would be perfect for the big screen.

Maybe "The Enterprise Incident."

Or better yet, a combination of both.
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Old May 21 2013, 04:55 PM   #85
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Ain't that the truth? There were at least two scenes where I thought they were going to start making out. But don't kid yourself - that's why the whole WTF? Uhura/ Spock romance is there. Can't have anyone thinking our boys are gay, even though Kirk's overly aggressive womanizing screams "in the closet"!
And sometimes a womanizer is just a womanizer. Don't get me wrong. If Abrams had decided to make Kirk and/or Spock gay as characters--I would have no problem with that (no more than I had with a woman as Starbuck in BSG, or with a black Norse god in Thor or the new Alan Scott being gay in DC's Earth 2 series or…). And I've definitely seen other characters in film and TV programmes who are in danger of falling out "of the closet". I just didn't get that vibe in this case. Of course, everyone comes away from experiencing art with their own take, but I didn't come away with that feeling.
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Quite well, my dear, and you?

I was joking...

Except for this - in TOS Kirk always had an interesting tension to his womanizing. He plainly liked sex, found lots of women sexy, liked being sexy to women - but he could also be reluctant (Mudd's Women, Miri) and calculating about seduction (What are Little Girls Made of, Catspaw, Wink of an Eye), and in general he was, well, classier about it all than Pine's Kirk who seems to walk around with his tongue hanging out like a frat boy on the make.

Now, granted they are plainly playing nuKirk as a younger, more immature version of the character at this point - but anyone who can't walk across a courtyard without giving a wink and a "Hey there, sexy lady" to a passing hottie comes across to me as either trying way too hard to prove he's hetero, or just an asshat. The problem is they're playing it for laughs, rather than trying to make nuKirk actually sexy, so that when he is actually sexy, as in scenes of real loyalty and emotion, who he's having those scenes with - is Spock.

I mean, one of my biggest problems with nuTrek is that McCoy is sexier than Kirk - and that's just wrong.
Well, I found it toned down from the previous film (which I'd just watched the day before) but I can see where the womanizing might have seemed more prominent if I'd not seen the 09 film in a long time.

As for sexy, I have to say I find no one especially sexy in this new incarnation. There is a degree of beauty that I can appreciate but for me, sexy is not synonymous with beauty. But I've never really watched Star Trek for "sexiness" (at least not since early adolescence), so I don't make too much out of it.
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Old May 21 2013, 05:09 PM   #86
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Mirror, Mirror.
Not the way the comics did it..
I think that's a misreading.
I only said that because of the Memory Beta entry, which strongly implies that the whole thing is indeed a story. (I haven't actually read the comic, I only go by what I saw in that article.) But in an infinite multiverse, I suppose there could be at least one variant of the MU where it happened for real...
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Old May 21 2013, 06:28 PM   #87
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The whole episode [The Way to Eden] would have been much better off filmed as it was supposed to be (as 'Joanna') rather than what was put on screen and transmitted.
"Joanna" does sound good.

Originally, the teleplay was titled "Joanna", and was written by D. C. Fontana, the title character being Dr. McCoy's daughter, who would become romantically involved with Captain Kirk. Later, she was changed to Irina, and Chekov, instead, was made her foil. Fontana's script was so heavily rewritten that she asked her name to be removed from it and replaced with Michael Richards, a pseudonym she also used on the episode "That Which Survives".
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