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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.38%
A 161 21.67%
A- 100 13.46%
B+ 82 11.04%
B 58 7.81%
B- 27 3.63%
C+ 40 5.38%
C 38 5.11%
C- 24 3.23%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.75%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.71%
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Old May 20 2013, 03:33 PM   #3256
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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How exactly have they been brought down to our level? I didn't see people concerned with Kirk stooping to our level in episodes like Arena, Devil in the Dark, The Conscious of the King and Obsession. We watched him struggle with his darker impulses and come out better for it, just like we're watching this version of the character due the same.
Admiral Robocop. Adrmiral Facelift. Khan. And many of the people in these films are too similar to us.
Human being human? Whodathunkit?
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Old May 20 2013, 03:37 PM   #3257
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Human being human? Whodathunkit?
People today are quite different from 1813. Wouldn't you expect them to be different in the 2250's?
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Old May 20 2013, 03:38 PM   #3258
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Human being human? Whodathunkit?
People today are quite different from 1813. Wouldn't you expect them to be different in the 2250's?
Not in a movie made for audiences of 2013. Star Trek characters have always been reflective of the times Trek was made in.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:42 PM   #3259
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I love the look Khan gives Marcus after he says "If you think you're safe at warp, you're wrong". Almost willing her to go alert the bridge.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:45 PM   #3260
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I love the look Khan gives Marcus after he says "If you think you're safe at warp, you're wrong". Almost willing her to go alert the bridge.
But you're never safe at Warp. All prior Trek establishes that ships can be caught and fired upon while at Warp. Now Star Wars has never shown that. Are we certain anyone involved has a clue about Star Trek?
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Old May 20 2013, 03:51 PM   #3261
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Human being human? Whodathunkit?
People today are quite different from 1813. Wouldn't you expect them to be different in the 2250's?
No. It's a movie.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:52 PM   #3262
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I love the look Khan gives Marcus after he says "If you think you're safe at warp, you're wrong". Almost willing her to go alert the bridge.
But you're never safe at Warp. All prior Trek establishes that ships can be caught and fired upon while at Warp. Now Star Wars has never shown that. Are we certain anyone involved has a clue about Star Trek?
Probably not, seeing as how I enjoyed this much more than any trek from the previous decade and a half.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:55 PM   #3263
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Yeah, who says that? Even the people I know who LOVE ST09, to a man, think that's a stupid scene.
I don't think it's a stupid scene. I thought it was amusing.

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This.

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But you're never safe at Warp. All prior Trek establishes that ships can be caught and fired upon while at Warp.
I think maybe he was refering to the fact that no one expected the Vengeance to catch up to the state-of-the-art Enterprise.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:56 PM   #3264
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It's just the basic problem of reboots that fuck with the originals. THAT "confuses the general audience".
No.
If people can keep track of all the reboots/restarts in the comic-book universes, they will have no problem with two versions of Star Trek.
Yeah, the two timelines are different enough that they won't be confused. Now, there are folks who aren't too familiar with Star Trek, and they might be a bit confused (understandable, of course), but most folks should get it okay, or at the least, a little exposition will take care of that.
Yeah, I think my wife is in that latter group. Like she doesn't care enough to make distinctions about alternate timelines or different stories. I just had to explain that these two new movies are a reboot like how the new Batman movies are a reboot.

And I know that we feel like that's a small percentage of people, but I think that's because we're people posting on a message board with other people who are just a bit more hardcore. I saw several people walking out of the theater explaining things to their confused looking wives, and it was somewhat amusing.

And I've seen similar things crop up several times before with something like Terminator, which has had it's share of alternate timeline style reboots. People come around asking the same questions like, "Where is John's wife Kate?" Or, "What happened to the Terminator played by Summer Glau?" Because they only peripherally pay attention. I feel that these people are more common than we think.
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Old May 20 2013, 04:50 PM   #3265
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Something I haven't been able to figure out -- did Harrison/Khan beam *directly* to Kronos, or did he have a ship?
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Old May 20 2013, 04:52 PM   #3266
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Something I haven't been able to figure out -- did Harrison/Khan beam *directly* to Kronos, or did he have a ship?
Unfortunately he beamed there. He stole the Transwarp Beaming BS tech from ST:09
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Old May 20 2013, 04:55 PM   #3267
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Something I haven't been able to figure out -- did Harrison/Khan beam *directly* to Kronos, or did he have a ship?
Unfortunately he beamed there. He stole the Transwarp Beaming BS tech from ST:09
Yes, because regular transporters are so within the field of plausibility.

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Old May 20 2013, 04:55 PM   #3268
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Unfortunately he beamed there. He stole the Transwarp Beaming BS tech from ST:09
Ah, I figured as much -- Jar Jar Abrams strikes again. :-/
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Old May 20 2013, 04:57 PM   #3269
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Yeah, who says that? Even the people I know who LOVE ST09, to a man, think that's a stupid scene.
I don't think it's a stupid scene. I thought it was amusing.
I thought that it was stupid and amusing.
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Old May 20 2013, 05:00 PM   #3270
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One day removed from having seen it, I can honestly say that the only complaints I can come away with are these:

1) Michael Giacchino is no James Horner. Only his main "Star Trek" theme is memorable (that and the original "Star Trek" theme that plays at the end credits). Additionally, what Horner was able to do with his scores for The Wrath of Khan and The Search for Spock was to present them as an additional character in the story. When no dialogue was being spoken, the music would augment (ha ha) the emotions the characters were feeling. In the "homage scene" for example, Giacchino provides NO music. At all.

2) The new-ish look for the Klingons. The helmets look like something that belongs on a Predator, and once said helmets are removed, every Klingon depicted looks indistinguishable from the next. That's fine for something like the Jem'Hadar, but not the Klingons. That was what was so great about the Klingon look from TMP to Enterprise, that no one Klingon looked exactly like another. Here, I wouldn't be able to tell Kang from Koloth. Perhaps Star Trek 3 will prove otherwise.

That being said, it was the most fun I'd had with a Star Trek movie at the theater (I've only been able to see them on the big screen since The Final Frontier). It's also my second favorite Trek film overall, bested by only The Wrath of Khan. Cumberbatch was excellent, as was Peter Weller... who hasn't been in this good a movie since playing the titular role in the first RoboCop. The main cast has really grown into their respective roles, even Simon Pegg (who underwhelmed me in '09) as Scotty. Zachary Quinto has been great as both a distinguishably different and yet familiar Spock. I look forward to hopefully seeing Alice Eve as Carol Marcus one more time in Star Trek 3!

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