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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "The Name Of The Doctor"
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Old May 20 2013, 12:48 PM   #256
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I''m also confused if this is the silence that was being talked about? The fall of the Eleventh seems to be a different event to the fields of trenzalore and maybe 'The Silence' refers to the event where the Doctor actually dies as the point when silence falls, not the crossing time stream incident that we saw here.
The fall of the 11th was the TARDIS falling out of the sky over Trenzelore.

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Old May 20 2013, 12:58 PM   #257
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Dorian: It's all still waiting for you: the fields of Trenzalore, the fall of the Eleventh, and the question!
The Tardis falling doesn't really seem like a note worthy moment in his History though does it? I think it refers to future (in this case past) events when the Doctor will be on Trenzalore in his future and fall in battle.

I mean they don't talk about the 'crash of the 11th' from the beginning of the "Eleventh Hour" do they? I can't imagine the Tardis falling like that was what got Dorian so excited.
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Old May 20 2013, 01:31 PM   #258
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The trouble is that if the Fall of the 11th refers to him dying at Trenzalore, then that also suggests there's going to be no 12th Doctor!!!
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Old May 20 2013, 01:40 PM   #259
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Too many posts to read through. All I have to say is that I'm glad I waited to watch this until right now. Helluva way to start my Monday!
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Old May 20 2013, 01:54 PM   #260
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That was pretty amazing, and a relief after some of the previous episodes this season.

I'm not going to speculate on Hurt, way too many possibilities.

Much too much to read here. But wow.
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Old May 20 2013, 02:00 PM   #261
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The trouble is that if the Fall of the 11th refers to him dying at Trenzalore, then that also suggests there's going to be no 12th Doctor!!!
Read Shazams! post at the top of the page.

Oh?

Has anyone wondered if the prop department is going to fix the broken window?

And if we're going to go all the way back to Silence in the Library... Couldn't the Doctor just have opened the door by snapping his fingers?
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Old May 20 2013, 02:06 PM   #262
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Actually, I do have a couple random thoughts that I will post (though they may have already been stated).

1) Clara was saved. Given the story, she could have easily been one companion that, once again, the Doctor loses. Rose, Donna, Amy and Rory...all lost to him. It was refreshing to see a companion finally make it out in one piece (or a billion pieces, whatever).

2) River Song. Will this be her last appearance? I admit that my hope for the character was to give her a multi-episode arc where it was just her and the Doctor traveling together, something to really solidify their relationship before finally sending her off to die in The Library. However, I was rather satisfied with the approach in this episode, coming at it from the perspective of her already being dead.

I have to wonder, though, don't you think the Great Intelligence might have some interest in the Biggest Library in the Universe? Could we see a return to that location?
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Old May 20 2013, 02:13 PM   #263
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2) River Song. Will this be her last appearance?
I sincerely doubt it. Her conversation with the Doctor at the end kind of implies she'll make another appearance. And really, as long as Moffat is running the show, I'm sure we can guarantee River will be back. We're more likely to go through a whole year with no Daleks whatsoever than without River.
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Old May 20 2013, 02:15 PM   #264
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2) River Song. Will this be her last appearance?
I sincerely doubt it. Her conversation with the Doctor at the end kind of implies she'll make another appearance. And really, as long as Moffat is running the show, I'm sure we can guarantee River will be back. We're more likely to go through a whole year with no Daleks whatsoever than without River.
Fine by me. I welcome an extended break from the Daleks.

And yeah, I'm sure River will be back, but the way the scene played out, I could see it going either way.

I do like that we saw the Library database version of River, though, which makes me wonder if the Library will be making a comeback somewhere down the road.
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Old May 20 2013, 02:31 PM   #265
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River LIVES in the library, not only is she not dying in the library, but she's immortal now, she will live in the library forever.

In fact as information, she should potentially have all the powers which the great Intelligence had.

The Great Intelligence was pissed because he had lost a thousand battles tot he doctor.

We'd seen 3, and this was the 4th.

(I'm not counting the UNIT standalone because I haven't seen it.)

996 to go.

Which means that the Doctor in all his future Battles with the younger version of Great Intelligence has to take care to make sure that he doesn't accidentally kill the Great intelligence and that the intelligence always escapes so that he will grow old and bitter and then go to Trensalor.

Um?

Was that an 8 vs. 2 crossover Clara ran afoul of?
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I'm not the biggest fans of Moffat's work since he took over (it's "ok", i guess) but this episode was just wow!
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Okay, so, another question.

How the hell does any of this relate to The Silence?

Silence will fall when the Question is asked. Well, the Question was asked. What exactly was supposed to happen? Why was Madame Kovarian so crabby? And, frankly, who blew up the TARDIS?!
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Old May 20 2013, 02:53 PM   #268
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Okay, so, another question.

How the hell does any of this relate to The Silence?

Silence will fall when the Question is asked. Well, the Question was asked. What exactly was supposed to happen? Why was Madame Kovarian so crabby? And, frankly, who blew up the TARDIS?!
Well we saw what happened when the question was asked. Jenny winked out of existance, Strax reverted to Sontaran xenophobia and, oh yes, the stars started going out!!

Every victory the Doctor ever had undone, suddenly the Silence don't seem such badguys!!
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Old May 20 2013, 02:56 PM   #269
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Okay, so, another question.

How the hell does any of this relate to The Silence?

Silence will fall when the Question is asked. Well, the Question was asked. What exactly was supposed to happen? Why was Madame Kovarian so crabby? And, frankly, who blew up the TARDIS?!
Well we saw what happened when the question was asked. Jenny winked out of existance, Strax reverted to Sontaran xenophobia and, of yes, the stars started going out!!

Every victory the Doctor ever had undone, suddenly the Silence don't seem so bad!
Well right, but was that the point? The Silence wanted to kill the Doctor before Trenzalore so that they Doctor wouldn't be killed at Trenzalore?

Seems that the Silence should have been going after the Great Intellience instead. Perhaps the Slience has been around so long that they've gotten their stories screwed up, like a game of Telephone. Eventually the original message gets lost.
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Silence will fall when the Question is asked. Well, the Question was asked. What exactly was supposed to happen? Why was Madame Kovarian so crabby?
Well, we've seen what was supposed to happen, haven't we? Billions of people dead, history rewriting itself. The Silents were just trying to prevent all that from happening, they were the good guys! Hell, I'm sure one of them works with Madame Vastra and we've just forgotten about him!

Also, it must be said that the short scene in which the Doctor was crying was heartbreaking and very well acted.
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