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Old May 14 2013, 10:30 PM   #16
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Re: What space based scifi is doing wrong? No Fantasy and magic drama!

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7 seasons of TNG, 7 seasons of DS9, and 7 seasons of VOY are far from flops. Followed by 4 seasons of ENT, Trek was on continuously for 18 years. Off the top of my head, only Law & Order, the Simpsons, and Gunsmoke were on TV longer than that. Seemed pretty successful to me.
All in the Family has gotta be close (Started in 1971), it spun off Maude (Which spun off Good Times) and The Jeffersons (ended in 1985) which spun off at least 1 short lived Florence show) as well as spinning off/retooling to Archie Bunker's Place and a Gloria Spin off or two.

ETA: OK, checking more thoroughly, I guess it only last from 1971 (All in the Family) to 1985 (The Jeffersons). All the other spinoffs seem to have all finished before The Jeffersons ended. Still 15 years, so, kinda close
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Old May 14 2013, 10:52 PM   #17
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Re: What space based scifi is doing wrong? No Fantasy and magic drama!

I read this thread and the first thing I think of is Star Wars. (And then I'm reminded that Episode I gave us a "tech" answer to the mystical Force.)
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Old May 14 2013, 11:45 PM   #18
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Sindatur wrote: View Post
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7 seasons of TNG, 7 seasons of DS9, and 7 seasons of VOY are far from flops. Followed by 4 seasons of ENT, Trek was on continuously for 18 years. Off the top of my head, only Law & Order, the Simpsons, and Gunsmoke were on TV longer than that. Seemed pretty successful to me.
All in the Family has gotta be close (Started in 1971), it spun off Maude (Which spun off Good Times) and The Jeffersons (ended in 1985) which spun off at least 1 short lived Florence show) as well as spinning off/retooling to Archie Bunker's Place and a Gloria Spin off or two.

ETA: OK, checking more thoroughly, I guess it only last from 1971 (All in the Family) to 1985 (The Jeffersons). All the other spinoffs seem to have all finished before The Jeffersons ended. Still 15 years, so, kinda close
Not to mention The Tonight Show, Letterman's current show, SNL, daytime soap operas and game shows, or Dr. Who's original run if you're counting British series....
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Old May 14 2013, 11:52 PM   #19
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I read this thread and the first thing I think of is Star Wars. (And then I'm reminded that Episode I gave us a "tech" answer to the mystical Force.)
No, it gave a biological answer, rather than a technological one. But I understand your point - some people were happier with no explanation at all. There had to be a biological component, though, just to explain the inheritance of strength in the force.

At any rate, "space-based scifi" isn't doing anything wrong. Vampires and zombies and fantasies have been popular lately; in twenty years, space opera may be the top of the heap on TV and in films again.
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Old May 15 2013, 05:10 AM   #20
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Re: What space based scifi is doing wrong? No Fantasy and magic drama!

Space Opera is doing pretty damn well in films right now.
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Old May 15 2013, 02:47 PM   #21
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Space Opera is doing pretty damn well in films right now.
Yea, that's what I was thinking, there's at least 2 or 3 blockbuster Space Opera movies a year, and Star Wars is moving towards waking up and becoming a staple again
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Old May 15 2013, 03:55 PM   #22
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I read this thread and the first thing I think of is Star Wars. (And then I'm reminded that Episode I gave us a "tech" answer to the mystical Force.)
No, it gave a biological answer, rather than a technological one. But I understand your point - some people were happier with no explanation at all. There had to be a biological component, though, just to explain the inheritance of strength in the force.

At any rate, "space-based scifi" isn't doing anything wrong. Vampires and zombies and fantasies have been popular lately; in twenty years, space opera may be the top of the heap on TV and in films again.
There is plenty of space-based scifi, and whether it be "tech" or "fantasy", it has the opportunity to succeed. No one is skipping stuff.
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(And then I'm reminded that Episode I gave us a "tech" answer to the mystical Force.)
To the mechanism of Force sensitivity, not to the Force itself.
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Old May 19 2013, 05:01 PM   #24
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I don't see how that was necessary. It just seems like Lucas recycling ideas from his original SW script.
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Not this year: We have Oblivion, After Earth, STID, Elysium, Gravity, Ender's Game and more.
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