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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.23%
A 161 21.50%
A- 101 13.48%
B+ 83 11.08%
B 59 7.88%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.34%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.34%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 37 4.94%
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Old May 19 2013, 10:49 PM   #3166
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

I knew this site would have all the best and most interesting and provacative reviews on STID!

Enjoyed reading them all -

I personally loved the film, but I could see where some may not......
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Old May 19 2013, 10:54 PM   #3167
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So when Khan says in the trailers, "I will have.. my.. vengeance." He's talking about the ship, right?
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Old May 19 2013, 11:03 PM   #3168
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So when Khan says in the trailers, "I will have.. my.. vengeance." He's talking about the ship, right?
Basically. All he did since getting out of the freezer was whining to Admiral Marcus. "I shall have my own Vengeance! Damnit!"


The next film will be called: STAR TREK into THE VENGEANCE OF KHAN. A two hour tour of Khan's Vengeance.





While we're at it. Where exactly did this film REALLY go "into darkness"? It's not darker than any of the previous Trek films.
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Old May 19 2013, 11:08 PM   #3169
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While we're at it. Where exactly did this film REALLY go "into darkness"? It's not darker than any of the previous Trek films.
Well it wasn't particularily darker than the previous movie, but it does hint at a possible war with the Klingons, and a dark presence within Starfleet (not sure if Section 31 was shut down or not.)
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Old May 19 2013, 11:31 PM   #3170
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Do any of you know if Hendorff and the black security guard survived the battle on Kronos? I was trying to see if they showed up during the battle but I lost them and I didn't see them back on the Enterprise.
I don't think Hendorff survived. Of course, my only source on that is the novelization.
Thanks. I was wondering if the novelization would have information not in the film. Sucks if that turns out to the best the case. This ship needs more of a permanent security chief, IMO, and I thought Hendorff fit the bill.
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Old May 19 2013, 11:34 PM   #3171
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So when Khan says in the trailers, "I will have.. my.. vengeance." He's talking about the ship, right?
Basically. All he did since getting out of the freezer was whining to Admiral Marcus. "I shall have my own Vengeance! Damnit!"


The next film will be called: STAR TREK into THE VENGEANCE OF KHAN. A two hour tour of Khan's Vengeance.




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Old May 19 2013, 11:39 PM   #3172
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Thanks. I was wondering if the novelization would have information not in the film. Sucks if that turns out to the best the case. This ship needs more of a permanent security chief, IMO, and I thought Hendorff fit the bill.
Is that "cupcake" ?
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Old May 19 2013, 11:43 PM   #3173
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Thanks. I was wondering if the novelization would have information not in the film. Sucks if that turns out to the best the case. This ship needs more of a permanent security chief, IMO, and I thought Hendorff fit the bill.
Is that "cupcake" ?
Indeed it is. And I hope he survived as well.
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Old May 19 2013, 11:45 PM   #3174
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Could we please finally stop with this "fans vs. general audience" fallacy? It's wrong. It doesn't exist.
Of course it does.

It's truer than ever. At least in Hollywood's mind. Even the cuts to Avengers were made because "only fans will get this"
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Old May 19 2013, 11:49 PM   #3175
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Half the posts on this BBS are proof that the gap exists - the forum on any series, topics on any movie, posts about "the future of Trek" all manage to demonstrate repeatedly that hard core Trek fandom has different priorities than the vastly greater number of folks who just want to be entertained by entertainment.
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Old May 20 2013, 12:00 AM   #3176
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

My wife might be an example. Last night we watched TWOK and TSS back to back (thank you, STID!), and during TWOK she asked if this was after Khan worked with Starfleet... Yeah, she doesn't really pay much attention to Star Trek minutiae.

Although for some reason she knew what Section 31 was, and I still can't explain that as I don't ever recall her watching DS9.

Tonight is TVH!
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Old May 20 2013, 12:03 AM   #3177
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Saw this for the second time on Friday evening loved poring over all the lovely, juicy details again...

Going to see this for a third time as well...

It's that good!
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Old May 20 2013, 12:19 AM   #3178
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Is that "cupcake" ?
Indeed it is. And I hope he survived as well.
Me too. I like backdrop characters that we can recognise.

I kinda hope Carol Marcus will be back, too. I kinda miss Chapel and Rand, though.
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Old May 20 2013, 12:24 AM   #3179
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Half the posts on this BBS are proof that the gap exists - the forum on any series, topics on any movie, posts about "the future of Trek" all manage to demonstrate repeatedly that hard core Trek fandom has different priorities than the vastly greater number of folks who just want to be entertained by entertainment.
"Hardcore" fandom represents only a tiny percentage of "fans," though. Not to mention that every fandom, of any kind, has the same mentality.

The discussions on the BBS, for example, are no different from any place else where fans of something congregate.

The majority of any given audience won't necessarily be an ardent fan of that particular franchise, but they will have been strongly connected to something similar at some point.

The majority of the audience is not minimally invested in their entertainment.

What each piece of entertainment is trying to do is spark that type of intense, non-casual interest. It's why a few years ago nobody knew what Game of Thrones was, and now everybody does.

Of course people who throw Game of Thrones costume parties will always be in the minority, nonetheless. Established franchises have "built-in" investment, which is why they are attractive. It's much harder to start from scratch.
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Old May 20 2013, 12:42 AM   #3180
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Well, the filmmakers clearly intend for Marcus to be available as a character aboard ship should the third story demand it. Probably a lot of that will depend on audience response to the character and to Alice Eve.

Frankly, the show can use a second woman other than some random walk-on like Rand or Chapel.
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