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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: 'Who' is John Hurt
The original incarnation of The Doctor (pre-Hartnell) 9 9.09%
The 9th Doctor, the one who ended the Time-War 57 57.58%
The Doctor's final incarnation, the 13th Doctor 3 3.03%
Something else entirely 30 30.30%
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Old May 19 2013, 09:58 PM   #16
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Re: John Hurt as The Doctor

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if the name The Doctor is supposed to be a promise then trapping billions in a time lock and leaving them to die goes completely against the notion of a doctor doing no harm. got to be the real 9th doctor...


It really is the theory that makes the most sense, but I wouldn't put it past The Moff to try to turn this into something a bit more complicated.

But the dialogue between Hurt and Smith sure make it seem as if Hurt is the real 9th. The name, the promise and what little we know of the Time War... It makes sense.
And, I imagine Clara didn't encounter Hurt's Doctor was because his events happened during the Time War and were locked away. However, Clara did have at least one life on Gallifrey which could have lived on into the Time War and be making a crack in that so called perfect lock. Not that it's stopped the Daleks, the Master, Rassilon's drums, or the kitchen sink escaping that time lock.
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Old May 19 2013, 10:01 PM   #17
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Old May 19 2013, 10:11 PM   #18
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Remember to be careful about spoilers in subject lines, folks
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Old May 19 2013, 10:28 PM   #19
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There's a possibility of him being the final incarnation, but I think that the ninth is more likely given Eleven's famiiarity with him. This also fits in, I think, with Ten's statement to Sarah Jane that he's changed half a dozen times (given that she briefly met Five in The Five Doctors).

Another question concerns what he's going to be called in the anniversary special. Maybe he'll be from a point prior to whenever he discarded the name of the Doctor.
Yep I had thought of that line as well that Tennant's Doctor said to SJ. She might not remember them meeting in The Five Doctor's but the Doctor would. So it is possible for their to be a lost regeneration and remain consistant with what we've seen. esp. if the Eccleston onwards Doctor's made a choice to supress memories of that incarnation.
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Old May 19 2013, 10:37 PM   #20
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I voted for "Something Else Entirely." He's the Doctor in the same sense the Valeyard is--he is, yet isn't.
My thoughts as well.
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Old May 19 2013, 10:48 PM   #21
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Re: One particular SPOILER from The Name of the Doctor

My impression from the episode was that it was the Doctor from before he was called the Doctor. But it seems most people think he's the Time War Doctor. I guess that makes sense too.

I do wish they had gotten Christopher Eccleston back for this if that's what they had intended.
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Old May 19 2013, 10:50 PM   #22
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Nobody's thinking he could actually be the Valeyard?
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Nobody's thinking he could actually be the Valeyard?
Isn't the Valeyard supposed to be between the 12th and finale Doctors? 11(12?) make it's clear that all the Doctor's we seeing in his past
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What we know about TJHD (The John Hurt Doctor) lines up well with what we know about The Valeyard.

So, yeah. I vote for The Valeyard.
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Nobody's thinking he could actually be the Valeyard?
Isn't the Valeyard supposed to be between the 12th and finale Doctors? 11(12?) make it's clear that all the Doctor's we seeing in his past
He makes it clear that Hurt's incarnation is someone he has prior knowledge of, yes, but he also has prior knowledge of his death at Trenzalore. And he learned about the Valeyard five incarnations ago. So it's not out of the question.
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Nobody's thinking he could actually be the Valeyard?
Isn't the Valeyard supposed to be between the 12th and finale Doctors? 11(12?) make it's clear that all the Doctor's we seeing in his past
He makes it clear that Hurt's incarnation is someone he has prior knowledge of, yes, but he also has prior knowledge of his death at Trenzalore. And he learned about the Valeyard five incarnations ago. So it's not out of the question.
I got the impression that what we were seeing were past regenerations. I'll have to rewatch the end tonight when get time, see if I missed something.
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^They were within the Doctor's timestream, which should've included everything from the beginning to the end of his life. There's no reason to think it had to be limited only to his past.
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Old May 19 2013, 11:25 PM   #28
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I think he is either McGann's doctor but a older version
I thought we saw McGann's doctor run by?
I think it's weird that we saw #2 and #8 in the same place (California) when they went to the trouble of putting all the other Doctors in different places & times.

But it's not like they edited #8 out of all the multi-Doctor montages we've seen since Eleventh Hour.
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Old May 19 2013, 11:30 PM   #29
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^They were within the Doctor's timestream, which should've included everything from the beginning to the end of his life. There's no reason to think it had to be limited only to his past.
Agreed.
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This may have been stated by others in the episode review thread, but I support the notion that the Hurt Doctor pre-dates the Doctor as we know him. If one buys into the Carmel Masterplan (which I can understand if people don't), the Doctor may have been The Other, who alongside with Rassilon and Omega helped found the Time Lord culture by engineering the black hole that led to the Eye of Harmony.

In that context, Hurt's line that he acted for peace and sanity makes sense and the Doctor's rebuttal that his actions weren't in the name of the Doctor. I think it works because founding the Time Lords eventually drove both Rassilon and Omega mad (unless they were mad already) and who knows who or what else stood in the way of the founding of the Eye of Harmony.

There's a lot of upsides to telling this story, especially on the 50th anniversary — it could be a key element that led the First Doctor to run all those years ago and it addresses some of the gaps that fans have wanted to learn for decades. I must admit some downsides — modern fans may not know or care about the earliest incarnations of the Doctor and it's very easy to get bogged down in the show's mythology.

However, if a show is going to revel in its mythology, a 50th anniversary is perhaps one of the best times to do it and Moffat generally does a pretty decent job of accommodating new and older viewers. Also, the way this "secret" has been foretold makes it sound like it is the key to everything. Sure, it could be Moffat selling a pig in a poke, but it makes a certain kind of sense to subscribe to the idea of the Hurt Doctor being at the founding of Time Lord society and … being the cause of why we're all here after 50 years.

Some of the other theories could work, but Clara says that she's seen all 11 Doctors and I think it's possible she witnessed the eras and acts described by other posters (the Time War and Sixth's encounter with the Valeyard). Of course, she didn't see the Hurt Doctor's face … and she apparently hasn't remembered the name of the Doctor that she learned during her flight to the centre of the Tardis.
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