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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "The Name Of The Doctor"
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Old May 19 2013, 09:10 PM   #211
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Letting Doctor Who die a natural death at the end of the 13'th incarnation may be a simple matter of practicality for the BBC. Just like in 1989, the BBC (remember, owned by the British government and run like our country's PBS) simply can't afford to produce it much longer (hence this last split-season). At least not to current US sci-fi TV standards, and certainly not to longer than 13 episodes a season. The country's chronic economic woes and government budget crises won't allow it. Finding a co-producer isn't an option either; trying to find one was a large part of the reason Doctor Who stayed off the air for 16 years (minus that one-off TV movie which Universal chipped in for).

If I was a BBC exec, I'd be thinking right now "The sooner this thing ends, the sooner we're freed up money-wise to produce other shows and the sooner we can farm it out to Hollywood for the JJ Abrams treatment and rake in the profits from the licensing fee." The 13 lives limit, and inserting John Hurt as this lost Doctor, moves the saga very close to Trenzalore - to the point where the Beeb can end it without facing a backlash from the fans (as they did in '84). Yeah, they'll still grumble, but the novels, comics and radio dramas continue to be churned out on autopilot for next to nothing and will continue to do so for years to come.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:13 PM   #212
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Where'd you get any of this from?
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Old May 19 2013, 09:13 PM   #213
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I'll have to be honest, I think you have got your hands on a good stash.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:19 PM   #214
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Letting Doctor Who die a natural death at the end of the 13'th incarnation may be a simple matter of practicality for the BBC. Just like in 1989, the BBC (remember, owned by the British government and run like our country's PBS) simply can't afford to produce it much longer (hence this last split-season). At least not to current US sci-fi TV standards, and certainly not to longer than 13 episodes a season. The country's chronic economic woes and government budget crises won't allow it. Finding a co-producer isn't an option either; trying to find one was a large part of the reason Doctor Who stayed off the air for 16 years (minus that one-off TV movie which Universal chipped in for).

If I was a BBC exec, I'd be thinking right now "The sooner this thing ends, the sooner we're freed up money-wise to produce other shows and the sooner we can farm it out to Hollywood for the JJ Abrams treatment and rake in the profits from the licensing fee." The 13 lives limit, and inserting John Hurt as this lost Doctor, moves the saga very close to Trenzalore - to the point where the Beeb can end it without facing a backlash from the fans (as they did in '84). Yeah, they'll still grumble, but the novels, comics and radio dramas continue to be churned out on autopilot for next to nothing and will continue to do so for years to come.


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Old May 19 2013, 09:24 PM   #215
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BBC owned by the Government, that's a new one on me.

The BBC is funded by the public via the license fee, it has a charter to cater for all tastes (and that includes Sci-Fi fans).

The country's economic woes and the governments budget crisis doesn't have any impact on the BBC. (Though the BBC charter is coming up for review soon with the government, but at the end of the day I suspect a majority still support how the BBC is funded).

The BBC via it's subisderies earns millions from DW.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:26 PM   #216
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So I wonder what this means for the 50th. Will we see Ten, Eleven, and Clara jumping around in time and interacting with old clips of the Doctors like in the teaser? Or is that a mission only Clara goes on, while Ten and Eleven remain behind and focus on stopping the Great Intelligence in some other way?

And after this episode it seems pretty apparent that the "museum with the paintings" is just a representation of something going on in the Doctor's mind, where each painting is basically a window into the past that the Doctor's are using to monitor Clara.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:28 PM   #217
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Here's one weird observation: when the Tardis crash-landed on Trenzalore, one of the window panes cracked, as the Doctor duly noted upon exiting. This exact same window pane crack appears on the large future dead Tardis when Vastra looks up after first waking up on Trenzalore. Kind of strange; wouldn't that get repaired somehow between now and the Tardis' future (which I assume would be hundreds or thousands of years long)? Was this just artistic license by the FX folks? Or was this a subtle yet intentional hint of some sort?

Hey, I said it was a weird observation....
Not only that, but the 'tomb' version of the TARDIS control room is the same desktop theme as the one 'Eleven' recently got. Yeah, it IS a subtle, intentional hint. And a very heartbreaking one.

We're very near to THE END of the entire Doctor Who saga. 'Eleven' is Twelve, and they're sticking to the whole 13-incarnation lifecycle. When Matt Smith finally decides to leave, the next regeneration will be the LAST regeneration. The Last Doctor. An old man. Maybe ginger at last, maybe not. His birth will also see the birth of the fully-formed Dream Lord/Valeyard.

And his very last adventure, on Trenzalore, will be a 'relatively minor skirmish' as Doctor Who episodes go. The last will die as the first did - collapsing on the floor of the TARDIS from extreme old age and sheer exhaustion.


1.>The TARDIS already has all the control rooms stored even ones the Doctor hasn't uesd yet. ("The Doctors Wife"). So just because the room resembled the 11ths current one doesn't mean he changed it several times over and went back to it at some point. Or due to the TARDIS dying that was one of the few still around.

2.>Just because we've seen the Dcotor's grave doesn't mean it wasn't after his 13th life

3.>We don't know when we visited Trenzalore.

4.>Time can be re-written
My going theory on the current "stripped down" console room is that's the default setting This is what you get when you turn off most if not all the customing.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:28 PM   #218
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Letting Doctor Who die a natural death at the end of the 13'th incarnation may be a simple matter of practicality for the BBC. Just like in 1989, the BBC (remember, owned by the British government and run like our country's PBS) simply can't afford to produce it much longer (hence this last split-season). At least not to current US sci-fi TV standards, and certainly not to longer than 13 episodes a season. The country's chronic economic woes and government budget crises won't allow it. Finding a co-producer isn't an option either; trying to find one was a large part of the reason Doctor Who stayed off the air for 16 years (minus that one-off TV movie which Universal chipped in for).

If I was a BBC exec, I'd be thinking right now "The sooner this thing ends, the sooner we're freed up money-wise to produce other shows and the sooner we can farm it out to Hollywood for the JJ Abrams treatment and rake in the profits from the licensing fee." The 13 lives limit, and inserting John Hurt as this lost Doctor, moves the saga very close to Trenzalore - to the point where the Beeb can end it without facing a backlash from the fans (as they did in '84). Yeah, they'll still grumble, but the novels, comics and radio dramas continue to be churned out on autopilot for next to nothing and will continue to do so for years to come.
First and foremost, the money invested in making Doctor Who is made back with extra from selling the Series (Unless things have changed this half Series) and although the ratings have gone down, everyone's ratings have gone down, hence why the share hasn't changed.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:32 PM   #219
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BBC owned by the Government, that's a new one on me.

The BBC is funded by the public via the license fee, it has a charter to cater for all tastes (and that includes Sci-Fi fans).
Actually, from a technical POV, the license fee is considered a tax. It is paid into the Government's Consolidated Fund, before a convention has the Department for Culture, Media and Sport voting to hand it to the BBC for their own use. This is why the BBC have to negotiate with the Government of the day in regard to license fee increases.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:33 PM   #220
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I think Murray Gold's music is generally shit but it was nice hearing his Gallifrey theme again as I've always liked it.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:41 PM   #221
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BBC owned by the Government, that's a new one on me.

The BBC is funded by the public via the license fee, it has a charter to cater for all tastes (and that includes Sci-Fi fans).
Actually, from a technical POV, the license fee is considered a tax. It is paid into the Government's Consolidated Fund, before a convention has the Department for Culture, Media and Sport voting to hand it to the BBC for their own use. This is why the BBC have to negotiate with the Government of the day in regard to license fee increases.
That may be, but the BBC is not owned by the Government. In theory the Government can't tell the BBC what to do. Though the BBC does have to play nice when it comes up to renewing the charter time.
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Old May 19 2013, 10:23 PM   #222
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Seen it twice now. That was utterly, utterly wonderful, just amazing. Damn when Moffat's good Moffat's amazing!

It might have worked better at the end of the full series rather than half a series, certainly Clara would have come across better that way, and her potential sacrifice would have had more meaning. JLC was great in this though, hell everyone was. Matt Smith was stupendous, and his goodbye to River sent chills down my spine.

Might well be the best season finale since the show came back...

Oh and thank god the Paternoster gang all survived!
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Old May 19 2013, 10:25 PM   #223
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OK, I misunderstood (or at least oversimplified) the relationship between the BBC and the British government. Thanks for clearing it up.
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Old May 19 2013, 10:30 PM   #224
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Might well be the best season finale since the show came back...
Agreed. Though The Big Bang and The Parting of the Ways are the only other good ones.
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Old May 19 2013, 10:30 PM   #225
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- I know it shouldn't bother me after the cell phones and other things we've been introduced to but the time traveling trance was rather ridiculous. This bothered me less on second viewing but really irritated me initially.
That's funny because I actually much prefer the trance over the cell phones (although they've grown on me a little).

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Here's one weird observation: when the Tardis crash-landed on Trenzalore, one of the window panes cracked, as the Doctor duly noted upon exiting. This exact same window pane crack appears on the large future dead Tardis when Vastra looks up after first waking up on Trenzalore. Kind of strange; wouldn't that get repaired somehow between now and the Tardis' future (which I assume would be hundreds or thousands of years long)? Was this just artistic license by the FX folks? Or was this a subtle yet intentional hint of some sort?

Hey, I said it was a weird observation....
I noticed that right away, too. Maybe The Doctor decides to keep the cracked pane in place as a reminder.
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