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Old May 19 2013, 08:15 PM   #556
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Well it's all semantics anyway: STID may be "disappointing" but it's not weak at all. Then you have to define disappointing. With Imax and the success of the last movie, you'd think it would have done $100 million over 5 days. Failure or flop would mean it didn't cover cost. A opening flop may have meant a $40-50 million weekend. Clearly that is NOT the case. Considering the movie cost $180-190 million, STID has almost covered that in just over a week at $165 million gross by the end of Sunday. Again the naysayers have failed.

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Old May 19 2013, 08:21 PM   #557
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

There's plenty to factor into the equation, though. I want you to be right, RAMA, but I feel like you're missing pieces in your puzzle. No offense!

Worldwide, Nemesis made $67 million on a $60 million budget. Ask the completely uninformed individual what this means, and you may get an answer along the lines of, "well, it only made $7 million, but it made $7 million! That's cool, at least. It isn't a flop."

Marketing costs alone surely mean pre-home release, Nemesis didn't make a dime.
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Old May 19 2013, 08:24 PM   #558
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Marketing costs alone surely mean pre-home release, Nemesis didn't make a dime.
STID will make what x2.25 its production budget and thats not including other revenue streams to come so screw the marketing for STID, it will turn a health profit and probably a bigger one than ST09 did.
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Old May 19 2013, 08:31 PM   #559
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You want FF6 numbers for Trek? You've got to put Kirk and Gaila in a small shuttlcraft and have them chase Cumberbatch (and his Eugenically Enhanced Sidekick Bit*h) all over Known space to the latest hip hop tunes.

You have to have chase scenes, hip hop music, and scantily clad Orion Slave women.

800 million, easy.
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Old May 19 2013, 08:35 PM   #560
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Well it's all semantics anyway: STID may be "disappointing" but it's not weak at all. Then you have to define disappointing. With Imax and the success of the last movie, you'd think it would have done $100 million over 5 days. Failure or flop would mean it didn't cover cost. A opening flop may have meant a $40-50 million weekend. Clearly that is NOT the case. Considering the movie cost $180-190 million, STID has almost covered that in just over a week at $165 million gross by the end of Sunday. Again the naysayers have failed.

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Getting the budget back is not a hit film--it is merely breaking even, and unless that 180-190 million included the promotional costs too, it has a long way to go. Considering most films' earnings slow with each passing week, and ST is not on The Avengers or Batman level of pop culture interest (where 2nd and third huge weeks are possible), there are no guarantees of a success.

ST will need to pull in at least twice the budget for anyone to consider this a genuine hit movie--certainly enough to warrant another production.
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Old May 19 2013, 08:40 PM   #561
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There is no getting away its an underwhelming and disappointing take. But it's not a flop, there was serious fears though after the numbers on Thurs/Friday it would be.
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Old May 19 2013, 08:48 PM   #562
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ST will need to pull in at least twice the budget for anyone to consider this a genuine hit movie--certainly enough to warrant another production.
Which would be $380 million (ST09 made $385 in BO alone). STID is going to make more than that by a decent margin based off the start from the domestic and overseas take.
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Old May 19 2013, 08:53 PM   #563
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In addition to the $190m production budget it is possible Paramount spent $100m on worldwide prints and advertising.
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Old May 19 2013, 08:54 PM   #564
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This thread with all it's ups and downs, bigger budget sequel talk and dead franchise talk is as thrilling as the movie itself.
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Old May 19 2013, 08:56 PM   #565
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Well it's all semantics anyway: STID may be "disappointing" but it's not weak at all. Then you have to define disappointing. With Imax and the success of the last movie, you'd think it would have done $100 million over 5 days. Failure or flop would mean it didn't cover cost. A opening flop may have meant a $40-50 million weekend. Clearly that is NOT the case. Considering the movie cost $180-190 million, STID has almost covered that in just over a week at $165 million gross by the end of Sunday. Again the naysayers have failed.

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It is disappointing. Even if the film gets to Star Trek 2009 money, it will have sold fewer tickets due to higher ticket prices.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:00 PM   #566
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Well it's all semantics anyway: STID may be "disappointing" but it's not weak at all. Then you have to define disappointing. With Imax and the success of the last movie, you'd think it would have done $100 million over 5 days. Failure or flop would mean it didn't cover cost. A opening flop may have meant a $40-50 million weekend. Clearly that is NOT the case. Considering the movie cost $180-190 million, STID has almost covered that in just over a week at $165 million gross by the end of Sunday. Again the naysayers have failed.

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Getting the budget back is not a hit film--it is merely breaking even, and unless that 180-190 million included the promotional costs too, it has a long way to go. Considering most films' earnings slow with each passing week, and ST is not on The Avengers or Batman level of pop culture interest (where 2nd and third huge weeks are possible), there are no guarantees of a success.

ST will need to pull in at least twice the budget for anyone to consider this a genuine hit movie--certainly enough to warrant another production.
Where did I say "hit film"?? I said it is not a flop if it covers cost. Once you do that you go into different degrees of success based on profit. Considering it came close to covering it's cost in a very short time, the degree of success with it's likely profit seems likely to reach "hit" status.

On the topic of DVD sales I saw mentioned earlier..ST09 had sales of $101 million in DVD. Bluray is unknown, but likely $30-40 million. FX got the rights for the movie for $30 million. There are lots of ways to make money.
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It's not a flop, it's not a smash hit. It'll hopefully just be ok and a disappointment.
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Well it's all semantics anyway: STID may be "disappointing" but it's not weak at all. Then you have to define disappointing. With Imax and the success of the last movie, you'd think it would have done $100 million over 5 days. Failure or flop would mean it didn't cover cost. A opening flop may have meant a $40-50 million weekend. Clearly that is NOT the case. Considering the movie cost $180-190 million, STID has almost covered that in just over a week at $165 million gross by the end of Sunday. Again the naysayers have failed.

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It is disappointing. Even if the film gets to Star Trek 2009 money, it will have sold fewer tickets due to higher ticket prices.
Not likely, if ticket prices are roughly the same overseas, (and I don't know what they are on avg) and the movie makes $400-500 million, it is almost certain to sell more than 34 million tickets.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:04 PM   #569
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Trek's opening is very similar to Oz's, which wound up settling around $230 mil domestically (with less competition).

It's going to be close on making back it's budget domestically, and it's foreign numbers are tracking at about half that amount.

Not a major hit by any stretch and this will have implications on Trek III's budget. We're looking at a slash to about $120-130 million. Probably a good thing, maybe they'll focus more on story. Kind of tired of the Enterprise having to face the villian's Super Badass Ship at the end every time.
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"FAST & FURIOUS 6 debuted in the UK with $13.8M--Universal's largest opening ever there."

I honestly don't get the love for this crap.
Well one thing that might help the UK Box Office for F&F6 is it being partly set in the UK given the trailers.

As for me it's not the type of film I would pay to see at the cinema, I might catch it on TV.
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