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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "The Name Of The Doctor"
Merlin 111 72.08%
Radagast the brown 30 19.48%
Barty crouch jr 5 3.25%
Destro 5 3.25%
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Old May 19 2013, 06:21 AM   #136
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Am I the only one that found it odd there wasn't any real footage of Nine and Ten?

Plus, wasn't there news about McGain filming a Mini-Episode to air between now and the 50th. If that's the case, wouldn't it make sense (re: Hurt being a Time War Doctor) that the Minisode shows McGain's regeneration into Hurt?

It's nice that Moffat can still pull a good episode out of his butt, after this seasons misfires.
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Old May 19 2013, 06:32 AM   #137
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A theory I just read on Youtube....Hurt might be the meta-crisis Doctor that stayed with Rose and aged. Although Ten was angry at his clone at the end of Journey's End for killing all the Daleks, I don't know if he'd be mad enough to block him out.

Edit: I just looked at it again, and Hurt's haircut is similar to Tennant's, though missing the telltale sideburns. I'm still leaning toward the side that he's a hidden regeneration, but the clone thing is interesting.
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Old May 19 2013, 06:32 AM   #138
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I also like that they used that damned umbrella cliffhanger. "Doctor!! Why are you doing that, it makes no sense!!"


When I rewatch this episode again that is what I'll be imagining her saying

I loooooooooooooved this episode, btw. I had a huge grin on my face during the opening with Clara, that was so well done. I thought the plot was interesting, and enjoyed the revelation of Clara. Seeing the all the Doctors briefly was pretty neat too, though was there a reason Ten wasn't shown? Or will that tie into the anniversary special?

I was kind of hoping we'd get a proper trailer for the anniversary special, as far as I know they are finished filming it aren't they?
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Old May 19 2013, 06:46 AM   #139
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I voted "Radagast". Good episode, despite not quite living up to my expectations.

BTW, here are GIFs I made of Clara's encounters with the first 8 Doctors in the opening scene, in Doctor order:

Oh wow, I had no idea they slipped Eight in there. Awesome!
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Old May 19 2013, 06:50 AM   #140
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A theory I just read on Youtube....Hurt might be the meta-crisis Doctor that stayed with Rose and aged. Although Ten was angry at his clone at the end of Journey's End for killing all the Daleks, I don't know if he'd be mad enough to block him out.

Edit: I just looked at it again, and Hurt's haircut is similar to Tennant's, though missing the telltale sideburns. I'm still leaning toward the side that he's a hidden regeneration, but the clone thing is interesting.
I'd say it's far more likely he'll end up being a regeneration between 8 and 9 or being a pre-Hartnell Doctor than being the metacrisis Doctor. This is a part of the Prime Doctor, just a part that's been buried. Whatever he did, the Doctor buried that part of himself, hid it, and considers it a broken promise so terrible as it to be his darkest secret. It's gotta be bigger than locking away Gallifrey and the Daleks.
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Old May 19 2013, 06:53 AM   #141
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Yeah I didn't notice him either
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Old May 19 2013, 07:05 AM   #142
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A theory I just read on Youtube....Hurt might be the meta-crisis Doctor that stayed with Rose and aged. Although Ten was angry at his clone at the end of Journey's End for killing all the Daleks, I don't know if he'd be mad enough to block him out.

Edit: I just looked at it again, and Hurt's haircut is similar to Tennant's, though missing the telltale sideburns. I'm still leaning toward the side that he's a hidden regeneration, but the clone thing is interesting.
I'd say it's far more likely he'll end up being a regeneration between 8 and 9 or being a pre-Hartnell Doctor than being the metacrisis Doctor. This is a part of the Prime Doctor, just a part that's been buried. Whatever he did, the Doctor buried that part of himself, hid it, and considers it a broken promise so terrible as it to be his darkest secret. It's gotta be bigger than locking away Gallifrey and the Daleks.
I agree with you personally, since it's the 50th Anniversary and I think they have bigger fish to fry than stuff that happened in 2008 with the new Daleks. It would make more sense to delve deeper in the mythology than that.

However, it's still interesting stuff to ponder. Him being the clone would dovetail with the presence of Ten and Rose in the special, and tonight Eleven said "I said he's me. I never said he's the Doctor." It would also be less complicated than a forgotten regeneration tying the fandom in knots....
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Old May 19 2013, 07:09 AM   #143
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This episode really needed more lead-in for it. Would have liked to have seen the Whisper Men before this.

The opening sequence had me TOTALLY geeking out. That was amazing. We got to see the ORIGINAL Doctor stealing the Tardis!!!! And then we got cameos of all eight original doctors!!! Total nerdvana!!!

The rest of the episode was a little too quick and easy. We just hop right to Trenzalore. The Great Intelligence shows up and gets right to what he wants. And the big solution is just to jump in a light. I was hoping for something more clever.

It was great to see the Tardis at its true size. Though I would have liked to have seen sections asymmetrically jutting out of the police box shape...

And, having spent a season building up the true name of the Doctor, and calling this episode "The Name of the Doctor"... I find it a bit of a cheat that we don't learn his name.

Unless his name was "Please". That's what he said. Doctor Please. And looking back on it, don't people say "Doctor, please!" all the time?

I was really hoping the figure at the end was Tennant. Oh well. It seems to me that Hurt is the Valeyard, but I haven't seen that episode yet I've only read of it. I am glad that this episode lead into the Anniversary Special.
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Old May 19 2013, 07:10 AM   #144
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Matt Smith clearly said "The name I chose is The Doctor. The name you choose is like a promise you make. He's the one who broke the promise."
Reminds me of something he said in The Beast Below:

"Three options. One, I let the Star Whale continue in unendurable agony for hundreds more years. Two, I kill everyone on this ship. Three, I murder a beautiful, innocent creature as painlessly as I can. And then I find a new name 'cause I won't be The Doctor anymore."
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Old May 19 2013, 07:31 AM   #145
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A theory I just read on Youtube....Hurt might be the meta-crisis Doctor that stayed with Rose and aged. Although Ten was angry at his clone at the end of Journey's End for killing all the Daleks, I don't know if he'd be mad enough to block him out.

Edit: I just looked at it again, and Hurt's haircut is similar to Tennant's, though missing the telltale sideburns. I'm still leaning toward the side that he's a hidden regeneration, but the clone thing is interesting.
I remember back when "Journey's End" aired, I thought the Meta-Criss Doctor was the way they would give us the Valeyard. You know, since the Valeyard is supposed be between the 12th and 13th Doctor, meaning he was supposed to be Doctor 12.5, and since the Meta-Crisis Doctor is technically Doctor 10.5, it would make sense that the Valeyard is a regeneration of the Meta-Crisis Doctor. And before anyone says, "He's human and can't regenerate!" If the Master can't get more regeneration, and River Song can regenerate, surely a human with the memories of a Timelord can figure out how to regenerate.

Christ, it's gonna be a long wait to the fiftieth.
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Old May 19 2013, 07:41 AM   #146
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Utterly fantastic, probably the best of this series. The Victorian Trio are always a delight - and I would've been pissed if Jenny were really dead - and River got a great sendoff. Whisper Men were very creepy, the Great Intelligence was excellent, and Smith and Coleman just killed it. Really enjoyed all the past Doctor stuff. I'm on the "Hurt Doctor is a Time War incarnation" side, that he's no longer "worthy " of the name.

What happened to Jenny and Strax was definitely more effectively scary than the stars going out. Roll on November!

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And what happened to the woman in the shop who gave Clara the Doctor's phone number? Another plot thread that's going to get dropped without being resolved?
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Old May 19 2013, 08:57 AM   #147
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I certainly enjoyed this more than some I have this season. I'm not as blown away as many of you seem to be, but I did enjoy it. I think perhaps I appreciated it more on an intellectual level than an emotional one. I still think I was invested more emotionally in RTD's DW than Moffat's, but this was the best of Moffat's finales in that sense.

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Meh. It is rather slow-paced and talky, which isn't really the strongest way to end a season. Say what you want about RTD, his finales were never slow-paced and talky.
I actually appreciated that this was more slow-paced than "Big Bang" or "Wedding." Those were both so stuffed full of complications and side stories that they were a big narrative mess, whereas this was a lot more straightforward, leaving room in the script for the more emotional moments.

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As predicted, we the audience don't learn the Doctor's name, though since Clara now remembers the events from Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS she should presumably now remember it. Or at the very least she'd remember River saying it to open the TARDIS door.
There's no proof that Clara ever knew the Doctor's real name. What she said in "Journey" was "So that's who." That could be interpreted as the name, but not necessarily. What she could be reading - especially since she was looking in a book called History of the Time War - is the truth of what he did.

You have a point about River, though. It was specifically set up that Clara was the only one who could hear River, for whatever reason (at least until the Doctor said he could too).

Which means that three times in a row, The Silence did not take River into account, which considering that they created her is kind of stupid on their part. In "The Big Bang," they trapped the Doctor in the Pandorica to stop him from blowing up the Tardis, but they forgot that River knows how to work the Tardis too. In "Wedding" she was supposed to kill him, but they didn't count on her being in love with him. And now in "Name," the whole reason they tried to kill him "Astronaut" was to stop him speaking his name here, but they forgot that River knows his name too.

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And, having spent a season building up the true name of the Doctor, and calling this episode "The Name of the Doctor"... I find it a bit of a cheat that we don't learn his name.
But the actual name was not really the point. What can a simple word really tell us? Any name we hear is going to be a disappointment so you can never actually say what the name is. And as I say, I don't think that's the point. The name of the Doctor is "The Doctor" because that's what he chose. And what is important is the reason he chose it, what it means to him to use that name.

You may think the title led you to believe the actual name would be revealed, but only because you allowed the title to misdirect you, which it was obviously intended to do. But what the title really means is revealed at the end - "What you did, you didn't do in the name of the Doctor."

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Old May 19 2013, 09:36 AM   #148
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Mmh, I think I prefer the idea that John Hurt is the actual first Doctor.
Me too, I like the idea that John Hurt is the original original Doctor, and in his Hartnell regeneration is when he made the promise to name himself The Doctor, and help people.

I'm thinking his John Hurt first incarnation he must have done something really really really bad. It makes sense now why he'd want to run a way in a TARDIS and go explore the universe and help people if he did something really bad in his first incarnation, he's been trying to redeem himself all this time. Everything fits into place with this theory.
I really can't see anyone can come to that conclusion - they very clearly set it up so he has to a Doctor not a pre-Doctor plus they label him as such - most likely between Eight and what we thought was nine.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:39 AM   #149
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So who gave Clara the Doctor's phone-number? We could argue that Clara did I guess.
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Old May 19 2013, 09:43 AM   #150
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Did they fuck with us?

Surely the name of the Doctor is the Doctor.

He evidentially has many, many names.

But the name they focussed on this episode was the Doctor even if his given flashed us from off camera.

The episode was about "why" is the Doctors name Doctor and not "what" is the Doctors other name.

Frakk.

The Splintered Clara's... lets assume that some of them knew th nature of the game they were playing and others were fricking clueless.

The Girl in the shop might have been Clara.

So...

Susan walks into the Tardis they are stealing, then Clara says "not that one, this one..." the Doctor pivots and takes the right TARDIS accidentally abandoning Susan on Gallifrey.

The Doctor went joy riding with the master remember.

Maybe the Doctor stole a lot of TARDISs?
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