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Old May 18 2013, 09:48 PM   #376
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Alot of articles are appearing now that the movie is under performing and falling below domestic expectations.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:53 PM   #377
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You have a popular villain like Kahn and you choose not to market him and you cast a pretty much unknown British actor to play him. That hurt the marketing and box office. If they had cast the more popular Benicio del Toro and marketed the movie around him as Kahn things would've been different.
Benicio del Toro is not a marketable actor, and most average filmgoers have no clue who he is. At best you might get a, "Saaaayyy... isn't that that guy from that film" kind of reaction.

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Even "John Harrison" wasn't well known, even if he appeared on the posters. The marketing seemed a bit all over the place to me.
If you wanted a name actor then they should have gone after someone like Javier Bardem. Frankly I loved Cumberpatch in the role.

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Old May 18 2013, 09:55 PM   #378
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If there is a sequel it'll probably only have a marginal budget increase though. There should be a sequel however, Trek is a huge franchise as far as merchandise, DVDs, rights etc go and even if it doesn't do 500m+ world wide it should limp beyond 400m+.
There should be a sequel, but there probably won't be a budget increase at all. It's more likely there'll be a budget decrease.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:00 PM   #379
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You have a popular villain like Kahn and you choose not to market him and you cast a pretty much unknown British actor to play him. That hurt the marketing and box office. If they had cast the more popular Benicio del Toro and marketed the movie around him as Kahn things would've been different.
Benicio del Toro is not a marketable actor, and most average filmgoers have no clue who he is. At best you might get a, "Saaaayyy... isn't that that guy from that film" kind of reaction.
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I disagree completely. Cumberbatch is not a marketable actor because no one knows who he is. People know who Benicio del Toro is.

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Old May 18 2013, 10:13 PM   #380
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I doubt the budget will decrease, this movie will disappoint as far as box office and we'll have to see how the foreign box office is first before saying that. I think limping across to 400m-450m worldwide will be very disappointing for the studio, but be enough with the bluray/dvd sales.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:16 PM   #381
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^Well I would disagree, I know who Cumberbatch is but couldn't place Del Toro. So it's more down to what a person watches or has seen if it comes to regonising an actor.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:20 PM   #382
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Outside of Sherlock and a bit part in War Horse, Cumberbatch hasn't done much of anything. No one knows him.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:21 PM   #383
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$400 million would probably lead to a budget decrease. The higher it can score above that the better its chances of getting a sequel at a similar budget level.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:22 PM   #384
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They made a mistake, if they had marketed Cumberbatch as Khan it might've done better. But it took us how long just to get a generic name? We knew nothing about him. You can have as good and powerful a performance as you like, but if your marketing is just him looking like a meanie moo with his back turned...
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Old May 18 2013, 10:38 PM   #385
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Any indication of Saturday numbers? I was planning on going tonight.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:40 PM   #386
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Outside of Sherlock and a bit part in War Horse, Cumberbatch hasn't done much of anything. No one knows him.
I disagree, I suspect quite a few people in the UK would regonise the name. You've already mentioned Sherlock.

I think what you might actually mean is. "No one outsdide of the UK knows him."
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Old May 18 2013, 10:43 PM   #387
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Outside of Sherlock and a bit part in War Horse, Cumberbatch hasn't done much of anything. No one knows him.
I disagree, I suspect quite a few people in the UK would regonise the name. You've already mentioned Sherlock.

I think what you might actually mean is. "No one outsdide of the UK knows him."
Which is a great shame and their loss really as he's an outstanding actor. Hoping this is his breakthrough role.
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Seriously, guys, give it time. Give Word of Mouth time to work, give actual numbers time to come in.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:45 PM   #389
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Cumberbatch is very well known outside of the U.S.. I still believe his casting was inspired and had vast potential, even as Khan.

The problem is, the core of any movie is the writing. Remember what happened with Prometheus last year? It had huge buildup as well, but the story fell apart. Eventually, so did the grosses. The fanboys hated it because the plot was a contrivance.

FWIU, the plot here is vastly better than that of Prometheus, but only by the hair of the last dog. The Dark Knight held people not because of the Joker himself, but because of the conflict in the movie. Batman v. Joker.

People need a stake in the movie. Did the writers provide them with enough of one?

And yes, let's get more real numbers from Domestic to see what's happening over the weekend.
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Again, I have no clue what the obsession with Del Toro is. He's not some bankable name actor, he's a character actor whose better days are well past him. He really hasn't done anything of note since the late 90s/early 2000s. I mean I guess your can call the borefest known as "Che" as an accomplishment, but he's far removed from the days of "The Usual Suspects" and "Traffic."

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