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Old May 18 2013, 02:32 PM   #31
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

Actually, especially given the opening of FC, now I'm wondering whether Riker was left on the E in order to keep an eye on Picard after his experiences and be ready to take command if necessary.
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Old May 18 2013, 04:27 PM   #32
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

I'm beginning to think that Riker stayed on the Enterprise because he was a creepy stalker who spent 15 years being stuck in the "friend zone" with Troi.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:09 PM   #33
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

After BoBW, Picard should have been put on the beach for awhile. The episode Family reinforces this opinion for me. The guy had some issues and needed to sit out the game and get his head back together. At least, Starfleet shoud have put him in an administrative post somewhere - commandant of the Academy, perhaps.

With that out of the way, you promote Riker to Captain, and Enterprise continues along it's merry way.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:10 PM   #34
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

Well, if we're being pedantic. Wouldn't it be a field promotion since Riker is already a commissioned officer? A field commission refers to enlisted personnel being temporarily promoted to an officers rank. Riker might have been made a Brevet Captain. Brevet being a term for a temporary promotion. For example, George Custer was made a Brevet Maj. General in the Civil War, but reverted to being a Captain after the war and died Lt Colonel at Little Bighorn.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:13 PM   #35
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

I think after BOBW, Picard really couldn't go anywhere, he can't be promoted without (rationality aside) enraging friends and families of Wolf 359, just look at how Ben Sisko acted toward him in DS9. Yer he cannot be removed due to his ability and achievement to the date. Nor can he be held responsible for the Borg's actions.

Maybe it was around this time Riker decided that he was happy where he was, or that running out on Picard at this time would offend a lot of Picard supporters in the Fleet.
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Old May 18 2013, 11:50 PM   #36
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

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I'm beginning to think that Riker stayed on the Enterprise because he was a creepy stalker who spent 15 years being stuck in the "friend zone" with Troi.
...ohh, and then he got his happy end. Still, funny interpretation.
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Old May 19 2013, 01:09 AM   #37
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Actually, especially given the opening of FC, now I'm wondering whether Riker was left on the E in order to keep an eye on Picard after his experiences and be ready to take command if necessary.
Beat you to it! Post 20. :P
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Old May 19 2013, 01:47 AM   #38
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Marcus Porcius Cato wrote: View Post
I think after BOBW, Picard really couldn't go anywhere, he can't be promoted without (rationality aside) enraging friends and families of Wolf 359, just look at how Ben Sisko acted toward him in DS9. Yer he cannot be removed due to his ability and achievement to the date. Nor can he be held responsible for the Borg's actions.

Maybe it was around this time Riker decided that he was happy where he was, or that running out on Picard at this time would offend a lot of Picard supporters in the Fleet.
So much for the 'enlightened sensibilities of the future.'
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Old May 19 2013, 04:10 AM   #39
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

I never bought the whole "enlightened sensibilities" aspect. Look at Roman politics 2000 years ago. They were every bit as corrupt as they are today. I just don't see humanity fundamentally changing on a base level in a mere 200 years.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:47 AM   #40
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I think the loss of money has a lot to do with it. How much corruption today and in the past is caused by the desire for money?
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Old May 19 2013, 05:30 AM   #41
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

It always seemed to me that for Riker, serving on the Federation's flagship vessel was a far bigger career move than taking his own command of a lesser known ship. The missions they were assigned to and the situations they got themselves into would have been far more adventures, while the people they met along their adventures would be the most important in the quadrant, not to mention the opportunities he could create by being associated with the flagship.

Also, maybe he was waiting for the Picard's luck (or heart) to catch up with him so he could swoop in and permanently take over command of the Enterprise.
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Old May 19 2013, 05:56 AM   #42
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

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It always seemed to me that for Riker, serving on the Federation's flagship vessel was a far bigger career move than taking his own command of a lesser known ship. The missions they were assigned to and the situations they got themselves into would have been far more adventures, while the people they met along their adventures would be the most important in the quadrant, not to mention the opportunities he could create by being associated with the flagship.

Also, maybe he was waiting for the Picard's luck (or heart) to catch up with him so he could swoop in and permanently take over command of the Enterprise.
Eh the "career move" would've been to take the promotion. Being second in command of the A team as opposed to captain of the B team is personal preference.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:16 PM   #43
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

Yeah, it seems clear to me that, at least by TBOBW, Riker's priorities in life had changed. The upwardly mobile career man from season one who had left Deanna behind because he saw the opportunities of advancement had given way to somebody who was more comfortable in his own boots. Multiple times over the TNG run we get the situation of Riker being in effective command of the Enterprise, and he never seems completely happy about it. Putting aside the actual circumstances of his 'promotion' in BOBW, I'm not convinced Riker really had a thirst for Captaincy by that stage.

It wasn't so much the idea of being first officer on the Enterprise being better than captain of any other ship. IMO it was more that he'd settled into a groove where he was happy, and he changed his priorities accordingly. As long as Picard still wanted him there he was happy to remain Jean-Luc's XO. Occasional moments (Shelby, Admiral Pressman, Thomas Riker) saw him get a bit introspective about exactly why he changed his priorities, but it seems obvious to me that the guy we met in season one who had a fire in his belly for command was not the same man we saw through most of the series' run.
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Old May 22 2013, 10:39 PM   #44
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

Besides, given how much action the D gets, simply hanging around and waiting for Picard to be blasted ain't a bad strategy for making captain either.
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Old May 24 2013, 09:05 PM   #45
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Re: Pedantic Star Trek discussion #134: Riker's Field Commission

Well he did say at the end of Generations "I always thought I'd get a shot at this chair" while standing in the charred remains of the E-D's bridge.

I do like someone else's suggestion that his real reason for staying on the Enterprise was to keep an eye on Picard after the he was captured by the Borg. They could have developed some interesting stories out of that premise.
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