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Old May 17 2013, 05:02 PM   #46
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Interestingly, it is not uncommon to capitalize you formal in Italian (Lei). I think the reason is that "lei" is also she, so it is done to distinguish the two.
I don't think that confusion with "lei" (she) is the main reason (even if it's a possibility). In fact, in formal letters also Voi (plural you) and Vostro/a/i/e (plural your) are capitalized.

Nobody would ever think of capitalize "io" (I). It would be seen as the epitome of narcissism.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:47 AM   #47
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Turkish actually has a dotted i and an undotted ı. The dotted İ is even dotted when capitalized.
Yes, they're pronounced differently. Turkish has plenty of diacritical marks that unfortunately are often discarded outside of Turkey and the Turkish communities, leaving you guessing at the correct pronunciation of stuff. It's one of my personal pet peeves with news papers, magazines and sites, also regarding Czech.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:30 AM   #48
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The Vietnamese language, as written in the Latin alphabet, has more diacritical marks than I've seen in any other language. Apparently Vietnamese pronunciation and orthography are very complicated.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:39 PM   #49
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The personal pronoun I is capitalized to differentiate from the math symbol i.[citation needed]

Back when the Rules of Etiquette were established, it was considered socially unacceptable to refer to oneself as being a number or imaginary, rude to refer to oneself as the square root of anything, and extremely rude to refer to oneself as the square root of a negative number. Also, people were offended by math in general back then.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:40 PM   #50
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Math can be pretty douchey sometimes.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:44 PM   #51
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I'm kinda jealous of the writing samples here. I rarely used cursive, but my printing was excellent due to an old-style drafting class. Which also gave me the tendency to write in small caps--imagine that. But, over time, my printing lapsed, to the point that I had a hard time reading my own printing.

As for my signature, it's basically "First letter of first name, scribble, space, First letter of last name, scribble." I'm ashamed of it.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:52 PM   #52
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The personal pronoun I is capitalized to differentiate from the math symbol i.[citation needed]

Back when the Rules of Etiquette were established, it was considered socially unacceptable to refer to oneself as being a number or imaginary, rude to refer to oneself as the square root of anything, and extremely rude to refer to oneself as the square root of a negative number. Also, people were offended by math in general back then.
Speaking of numbers, I is number one, the way the Romans wrote it.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:27 AM   #53
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^ While it is commonly believed that Roman Numerals were created by the Romans back in Bible Times, they were actually invented in 1934 for use in dating films. The stencils used to create the credits at the end of movies did not contain numbers because of a patient issue. Roman Numerals were created to circumvent this. This was almost a century after the Rules of Etiquette were created so didn't apply at the time.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:35 AM   #54
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While it is commonly believed that Roman Numerals were created by the Romans back in Bible Times, they were actually invented in 1934 for use in dating films.
Some may disagree...
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Old May 19 2013, 04:45 AM   #55
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they were actually invented in 1934 for use in dating films.
Citation, please.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:48 AM   #56
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Ancient Roman graffiti:

FOR A GOOD TIME CALL XIVIVIIIXXLDC
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Old May 19 2013, 05:00 AM   #57
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The foundation stone for the Penitentiary Chapel in Hobart says Anno Domini M.DCCCXXXI (1831) and the Chapel's clock has Roman numerals and was built in 1828 by Thwaites and Reed of Clerkenwell, London (it was one of 4 clocks in a single order that authorities in Tasmania bought from Thwaites and Reed).
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Old May 19 2013, 05:43 AM   #58
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Well, they are free to do so.

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Citation, please.
There are only so many times I can type [citation needed] in a thread before it stops being funny. However, it is totally funny the first few times.[citation needed]

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The foundation stone for the Penitentiary Chapel in Hobart says Anno Domini M.DCCCXXXI (1831) and the Chapel's clock has Roman numerals and was built in 1828 by Thwaites and Reed of Clerkenwell, London (it was one of 4 clocks in a single order that authorities in Tasmania bought from Thwaites and Reed).
Any appearance of Roman numerals before 1934 is the result of time travel.
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Old May 19 2013, 05:45 AM   #59
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OK, you are not serious. It is sometimes hard to tell on this board (or on the internet in general).
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Old May 19 2013, 05:46 AM   #60
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Any appearance of Roman numerals before 1934 is the result of time travel.
Gotya.

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OK, you are not serious. It is sometimes hard to tell on this board (or on the internet in general).
Yep, as per that saw, "There's no inflection in ASCII."

Plus, no doubt there's an Internet rule to the effect that, no matter what it is, someone will take it seriously.
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