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Old May 18 2013, 08:03 PM   #61
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Re: If you wrote the next one, which original episode would you revisi

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The episode was the shittiest ever devised for Star Trek: TOS, and didn't say anything that wasn't said in 'This Side of Paradise'.
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No.

The messages of the two episodes are quite different. The Way to Eden is about the dangers of gurus - it says that putting your faith in a charismatic savior so that you don't have to think for or make choices for yourself will ultimately lead to dissapointment. This Side of Paradise says that a life of perfect bliss is also a life without accomplishment. The only thing they share is general dislike for the belief that living in Paradise would be cool - ironically the very idea that many have embraced as the core of "Roddenberry's Vision" for Star Trek as a whole.

The Way to Eden gets a bad rap. TOS did much, much worse episodes - I would rather watch Way to Eden on an endless loop than be subjected to the mind-numbing boredom of even a single viewing of That Which Survives, Wolf in the Fold or Spock's Brain.
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Old May 18 2013, 08:20 PM   #62
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Re: If you wrote the next one, which original episode would you revisi

If they have to revisit a classic episode, I think The Doomsday Machine being involved somehow could make for a great story. You'd have to change it up pretty good from the original, maybe involve the Klingons or another race that discovered it and is using it for its own ends.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:04 PM   #63
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If they have to revisit a classic episode, I think The Doomsday Machine being involved somehow could make for a great story. You'd have to change it up pretty good from the original, maybe involve the Klingons or another race that discovered it and is using it for its own ends.
This is what I think they'll do next.

Star Trek 3 will find our heroes in year 3 or 4 of the Five Year Mission--when they receive an urgent message from Starfleet Command. Rumors are the Klingons, with Praxis having exploded and panic about the Khan Incident still pervading the Empire, are looking for any advantage in the upcoming war with the Federation.

A Klingon commander named KOR is in charge of a Klingon expedition to find a rumored "Doomsday Machine" which the Empire hopes will act as a counter to the Federation. The Klingons are convinced that Starfleet has access to the superhumans like Khan as well as the Red Matter from the first film.

KOR won't be a mustache twirling bad guy. Instead he'll be a man on a mission for his Empire, determined to beat the Federation and ensure military superiority for a Klingon Empire besieged by potential threats from Starfleet, the Romulans, etc.

At least that's how I'd do it. But we shall see.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:14 PM   #64
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None. They need to be original.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:25 PM   #65
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Re: If you wrote the next one, which original episode would you revisi

I wouldn't revisit any.

For exact same reason which as clear as day, sift through the grading thread. LOL

Fair enough, JJ chose to chronicle Kirk and crew, to some backlash, but most of us loved both films.

If it were me, I would try and come up with a uniquely original idea. Difficult as most great ideas have been used over and over and over. I wouldn't involve time travel or inter-dimensional travel. I would however have a few mandatory call backs, and maybe a mention, not an appearance, of a TOS character.

I did however have an idea for a possible show. 25ep season. 5ep blocks take place on four different ships, one villain, two hero and one bystander freighter or similar. Basically all will fall together in the 5 episode closing. All ships are witnessing an event from four different perspectives. In the final ep arc the big bad or agenda is unveiled and all four ships team up or they will all be a victim of whatever it is. Co operation is the goal, even of they're all rivals to begin with.

It's a long shot idea I had many years ago.

I don't know what I'll do to be fair. As a trek fan I will probably ruin it with unintentional fanwankery. That's why JJ is good for trek, he adds outsider fanwankery
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Re: If you wrote the next one, which original episode would you revisi

Mirror, Mirror.

Not the way the comics did it..



But a full-out MU slugfest. Not necessarily even involving the RU at all. Or even retelling STXI from a MU perspective, although that would also be possible (i.e. MU Nero is a resistance fighter against the Terran Empire who travels back and tries to wipe out the family of Emperor Kirk)...
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Old May 18 2013, 11:29 PM   #67
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Re: If you wrote the next one, which original episode would you revisi

As much as I would love to see an original story I believe the next movie by JJ Abrams will be a rethread of The Undiscovered Country. I lay out the reasons HERE Warning there are spoilers in that post.
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Old May 19 2013, 12:05 AM   #68
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Mirror, Mirror.
Not the way the comics did it..
I think that's a misreading.
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Old May 19 2013, 02:43 AM   #69
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No sex before marriage.


I hope that was a joke?
Going by the rest of the post which was wrapped around that sentence, I suspect it probably was.
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Old May 19 2013, 02:59 AM   #70
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I was joking...

Except for this - in TOS Kirk always had an interesting tension to his womanizing. He plainly liked sex, found lots of women sexy, liked being sexy to women - but he could also be reluctant (Mudd's Women, Miri) and calculating about seduction (What are Little Girls Made of, Catspaw, Wink of an Eye), and in general he was, well, classier about it all than Pine's Kirk who seems to walk around with his tongue hanging out like a frat boy on the make.

Now, granted they are plainly playing nuKirk as a younger, more immature version of the character at this point - but anyone who can't walk across a courtyard without giving a wink and a "Hey there, sexy lady" to a passing hottie comes across to me as either trying way too hard to prove he's hetero, or just an asshat.
He didn't say "hey there, sexy lady" (which is crass), he said "Hello ladies, Jim Kirk". They catch his eye, he turns, they look back and he just has to introduce himself. This works really well because he's on his way to see Pike who he thinks is going to give him the premiere assignment of the 5 year mission. He's incredibly cocky and Pike is going to shoot him down just like Uhura shot him down in the bar in 2009.

The problem is they're playing it for laughs, rather than trying to make nuKirk actually sexy, so that when he is actually sexy, as in scenes of real loyalty and emotion, who he's having those scenes with - is Spock.
Yes this is totally true and yes it is K/S heaven. And we saw it all before in TOS where he had a much deeper and closer relationship to Spock than to any of his women.

I mean, one of my biggest problems with nuTrek is that McCoy is sexier than Kirk - and that's just wrong.
We have to disagree on that one! Though the pinnacle of sex in JJTrek for me is NuSpock.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:32 AM   #71
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The episode was the shittiest ever devised for Star Trek: TOS, and didn't say anything that wasn't said in 'This Side of Paradise'.
*sigh*

No.

The messages of the two episodes are quite different. The Way to Eden is about the dangers of gurus - it says that putting your faith in a charismatic savior so that you don't have to think for or make choices for yourself will ultimately lead to dissapointment. This Side of Paradise says that a life of perfect bliss is also a life without accomplishment. The only thing they share is general dislike for the belief that living in Paradise would be cool - ironically the very idea that many have embraced as the core of "Roddenberry's Vision" for Star Trek as a whole.

The Way to Eden gets a bad rap. TOS did much, much worse episodes - I would rather watch Way to Eden on an endless loop than be subjected to the mind-numbing boredom of even a single viewing of That Which Survives, Wolf in the Fold or Spock's Brain.
I'm sorry, but I still disagree.

The episode as written and filmed seemed to be an attempt to be 'with it' much like this POS movie that was released by Paramount in the same year as 'The Way To Eden'. If the episode was really about a guru, it could have been filmed without using such obvious signifiers like the colorful hippie clothing and the futuristic 'peace' symbol used by Sevrin and his group. Instead, both are used, and both date the episode completely, instead of fitting in organically into the 23rd century setting.

Also, with all due respect to the writer, I have a hard time believing that life in the United Earth/UFP would be considered so onerous that there would be rebels against it; this belief is just as silly as that of Maurice & Yvette Picard's (and as mentioned by James Van Hise in one of his books, neither the Picard family or the members of Sevrin's party should even have any memory of what life was like in previous centuries to be reenacting it in their daily lives.) As well, the situation between the UFP and the Threat races isn't half as bad as the Cold War (and I'm sorry WarpFactorZ, but the Occupy movement was a reaction against the kind of capitalism we have now; I would think that the human race had learned a lesson about not letting it get out of hand to the degree it's gotten.) A hippie that was transplanted from the 1960's to the 23rd century, having got a glimpse of life in the future, would consider it a paradise, enough that they'd be detesting Sevrin & Co. as phonies with no real grudge (and probably even sitting down Sevrin & Co. to give them a long, frank historical talk about what was going on back in the 1960's during the original flower power movement, why there was one, and why Sevrin's movement/gripe isn't in the same league.) The whole episode would have been much better off filmed as it was supposed to be (as 'Joanna') rather than what was put on screen and transmitted.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:36 AM   #72
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Re: If you wrote the next one, which original episode would you revisi

In my super humble opinion the only truly boring episode of TOS is The Alternative Factor.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:42 AM   #73
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^No disagreement there, but 'The Way To Eden' is still shit for me.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:57 AM   #74
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I agree with those that say Mirror Mirror. I think that would perhaps be the funnest episode to do.

Others:
Arena (could've been a nice tie-in to the Gorn video game if they had thought it through)
The Trouble with Tribbles
Errand of Mercy
Day of the Dove
Balance of Terror
The Enterprise Incident
Amok Time
The Doomsday Machine
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Old May 19 2013, 05:02 AM   #75
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^OOOOOOOOOOooo The Enterprise Incident!! Now that excites me.

Romulans. NuSpock in disguise having to pimp himself out to a gorgeous Romulan commander. Uhura must sacrifice her lover's loyalty to save the ship.
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