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Old May 18 2013, 05:02 PM   #16
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

ah, i forgot:

- no holodeck, one o f the biggest sping of incoherence of star trek
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Old May 18 2013, 05:03 PM   #17
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So, no Star Trek, then?
I think that witout this elements star trek could be better
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Old May 18 2013, 05:05 PM   #18
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I can be wrong but I believe BSG was a real reboot and Star Trek not, Star Trek was a time travel movie were they are not going back to the 24th century.
So they had some rules to follow
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Old May 18 2013, 05:25 PM   #19
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-no alien
-no superweapons
-no magic technology (transponder,replicator,universal translator)
-no particle of the week
-with more internal coherence
-no time travel
No warp drive, no transporter, no Vulcans (including no Spock), no Data, no Klingons... might make a perfectly decent show, but it wouldn't be Star Trek.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:28 PM   #20
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

Another thing:

no turbolift.

Really, they have no sense, they are just a wwaste of space.

Maybe they can have some sense in a ship like Ent-D with a sauder section of 460 m, but just to connect stratetic point of the ship (bridge, engineering, officer quarters, shuttle bay)
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Old May 18 2013, 05:32 PM   #21
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No warp drive, no transporter, no Vulcans (including no Spock), no Data, no Klingons... might make a perfectly decent show, but it wouldn't be Star Trek.
Warp drive remains but with respected limits.

Transponder are out

Data is not magic, it's possible

Vulcans and klingon remain, but as inhabitants of colonies of human who has evolved peculiar feaures
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Old May 18 2013, 05:35 PM   #22
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

I loved Moore's response to this very question, if he were to reboot Star Trek the way he did BSG. His response was that there are just some things that are quintessential Star Trek, so a successful reboot would have to incorporate them. Phasers are at the heart of Trek; lasers were not key to BSG, so they could change that into bullets.

While a reboot that goes into more basic and fundamental themes of Trek would be fun to watch, there are just some staples and tropes that can't be eliminated. However, determining those staples and tropes has always been a point of debate among Trekkies. Imo, we need, in no particular order, phasers, warp drive, torpedoes, Horatio Hornblower in Space, space exploration, crew diversity, forehead aliens (though there's always room for imaginative, horrific, or just plain complex aliens), and social commentary in the form of analogy.

I could use less time travel and technobabble-as-conflict-resolution, though.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:41 PM   #23
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I was disappointed by 2009 reboot of star trek because i hoped it was an opportunity to put off the most naif part of star trek. Unfortunately the reboot highlight the part of star trek i don't like.

I'd like tp see a reboot of star trek like the reboot of BSG:

-no alien
-no superweapons
-no magic technology (transponder,replicator,universal translator)
-no particle of the week
-with more internal coherence
-no time travel
ecc

and you?
How would it still be "Star Trek" without these elements? No strange new worlds, no new life and new civilization?

Warp drive is pretty magical, so no FTL travel?

What do you mean "more internal coherence"? For group a shows and films produced in a time that spans nearly five decades and by several different people its coherence, either by accident or design, is rather amazing.
1- see above

2- yes, but it is necessarry for the show

3-I mean a warp scale respected; for example
1) How is that Star Trek? As someone said, that sounds like Firefly. Plus the alien cultures are part of what sets Star Trek apart.

2) But the other "magical" no magic technologies are not?

3) Which warp scale? Most shows, even BSG move at the speed of plot.

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I can be wrong but I believe BSG was a real reboot and Star Trek not, Star Trek was a time travel movie were they are not going back to the 24th century.
So they had some rules to follow
You would be wrong.
Star Trek was a reboot. The time travel was an excuse to change things. (a reboot) The focus was clearly on the 23rd Century.

While BSG was a reboot it also stuck to the basic concepts of the original. Human-Cylon war. Colonies destroyed. Ragtag fleet fleeing the Cylons looking for a lost Colony called Earth. It's tone was different, much darker with less "likable" characters. That's what sets it apart from the original.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:49 PM   #24
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Another thing:

no turbolift.

Really, they have no sense, they are just a wwaste of space.

Maybe they can have some sense in a ship like Ent-D with a sauder section of 460 m, but just to connect stratetic point of the ship (bridge, engineering, officer quarters, shuttle bay)
Do they take up more space than stairs? Because that would be the alternative. They're probably quicker that stairs, ladders and winding corridors. So, yeah they make sense.

Data is not magic, it's possible
Androids are "magic". You know what's even more "magical" Androids/robots/AIs that are indistinguishable from humans
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Old May 18 2013, 06:16 PM   #25
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Do they take up more space than stairs? Because that would be the alternative. They're probably quicker that stairs, ladders and winding corridors. So, yeah they make sense.
No, they have non sense, esoecially for that I see in deckplans on internet, they are just a waste of space

Data is not magic, it's possible
Androids are "magic". You know what's even more "magical" Androids/robots/AIs that are indistinguishable from humans[/QUOTE]

data is plausible, we already have some robots who can looks human
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Old May 18 2013, 06:38 PM   #26
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Do they take up more space than stairs? Because that would be the alternative. They're probably quicker that stairs, ladders and winding corridors. So, yeah they make sense.
No, they have non sense, esoecially for that I see in deckplans on internet, they are just a waste of space
You'll have to elaborate on that. What makes them a waste of space. Because increasing the ability to get from one area of the ship to another quickly would seem to make perfect sense.

Most deck plans are fan created. The ones we see in the show are pretty bare bones.

Data is not magic, it's possible
Androids are "magic". You know what's even more "magical" Androids/robots/AIs that are indistinguishable from humans
data is plausible, we already have some robots who can looks human
Looks like a mannequin

Looking human is the "baby" step. A Data and especially a Six is far beyond anything we have right now.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:39 PM   #27
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Good God, no.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:46 PM   #28
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Faria, I don't understand your problem with turbo lifts. Do you object to elevators in tall buildings?

And just because a robot looks remarkably human doesn't mean that it necessarily acts all that human. The external appearance is the easy part.
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Old May 18 2013, 07:02 PM   #29
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Faria, I don't understand your problem with turbo lifts. Do you object to elevators in tall buildings?

And just because a robot looks remarkably human doesn't mean that it necessarily acts all that human. The external appearance is the easy part.
1- my problem with turbolifts is that they go horizontally

2- the photo of the robot I post is of a robot able to imitate human facial expressions
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Old May 18 2013, 07:08 PM   #30
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Faria, I don't understand your problem with turbo lifts. Do you object to elevators in tall buildings?

And just because a robot looks remarkably human doesn't mean that it necessarily acts all that human. The external appearance is the easy part.
1- my problem with turbolifts is that they go horizontally

2- the photo of the robot I post is of a robot able to imitate human facial expressions
1) And that would be wrong why? Ever been to a large airport?

2) Still a far cry from a Data or a Six.
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