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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.38%
A 161 21.67%
A- 100 13.46%
B+ 82 11.04%
B 58 7.81%
B- 27 3.63%
C+ 40 5.38%
C 38 5.11%
C- 24 3.23%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.75%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.71%
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Old May 18 2013, 11:38 AM   #2851
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We had a last minute spare ticket at our IMAX screening and she took it up. But it completely floored me that out of the blue, she is wanting to go and see it AGAIN!
We've converted another one, gornsky, or do you think maybe it was Mr Cumberbatch who did it?
I think seeing Cumberbatch's nose 8 stories high has made her want to see the rest of his face.
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Old May 18 2013, 11:45 AM   #2852
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Seriously. WHERE is the trial?! And you know if you are gonna take a while to get the trial together (since all the witnesses are dead) you put a man in prison while you wait. So he can confer with is lawyers.

What sort of horror filled Federation is this.. OH A BAD MAN, FREEZE HIM!!
The Federation wouldn't want a trial since Section 31 would have been exposed. They would want Khan killed, locked up forever, or put on ice. Maybe they gave him a choice?
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Old May 18 2013, 11:48 AM   #2853
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I second the motion. I took one look at Karl Urban in that thing and fell in love.
We'll have to fight it out for him

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For all that I am happy with the male cast we already have, and I wasn't too fussed either way about Carol Marcus (would prefer her screen time going to Bones, Sulu or Chekov) I did think Alice Eve was an awesome chick, heaps of fun on the interview circuit and should make a fun addition to the cast (as long as it doesn't degenerate into both Kirk and Spock with girlfriend troubles )
I thought the bomb disarmament scene could have been better done as a Kirk/Spock/McCoy bro scene but I suppose that had to give Carol Marcus something to do.

Ummm. There are some positives women wise I notice. The navigator girl was a normal size woman. There were some women Captain/First Officers at Daystrom. At least there were some before Khan mowed them down. Unfortunately when Marcus was meeting with the senior admirals I don't think I saw a woman there. I may be wrong though.
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Old May 18 2013, 11:51 AM   #2854
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We had a last minute spare ticket at our IMAX screening and she took it up. But it completely floored me that out of the blue, she is wanting to go and see it AGAIN!
We've converted another one, gornsky, or do you think maybe it was Mr Cumberbatch who did it?
I think seeing Cumberbatch's nose 8 stories high has made her want to see the rest of his face.
OMG the IMAX and the..

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I second the motion. I took one look at Karl Urban in that thing and fell in love.
WETSUITS!!!!!

A bulge too far?
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Old May 18 2013, 11:53 AM   #2855
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The wetsuits were obviously eye candy!
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Old May 18 2013, 12:01 PM   #2856
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What I like about the movie is that everyone gets a chance up front, in the spotlight. There are no minor players amongst the lead cast. Everyone gets a chance to shine.
I'd agree with that. Sulu was perhaps a little too comfortable in the chair though.
Sulu is a stand out surprise to me. EXCELLENT.
All the cast are good but I really like Sulu's character - he's almost like what TOS Kirk would have been at his age - and in fact the progression that Lieutenant NuKirk should have taken if the franchise had taken the time to develop him naturally.

Sulu is a real captain in the making. If you read the comics too you will see that he has been written with the kind of moral backbone that NuKirk and the other crew lack. Even Spock is very inconsistent compared to Sulu.
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Old May 18 2013, 12:04 PM   #2857
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Still I could let that slide, what I couldn't was the brazen way JJ turned the last 3rd of the movie into WOK 2.0. Lines, scenes all remade.
Yes, I found that distracting the first time I saw it, but honestly, it's one scene and about 5 lines -- not the whole last 3rd of the movie. And even the repeated scenes are with different characters, designed to demonstrate that these two men would combine to defeat Khan once again, even if they took complementary roles this time. On 2nd (3rd, 4th, 5th...) viewing, the shock has worn off and you can settle in and enjoy the notes that are different, rather than focus on those that are the same.

The way Kirk knocks Scotty out (rather than a neck pinch), then even in the moment before he takes the final lethal step, he comes back to activate the seatbelt on Scotty's chair. The fact that Kirk calls it "our ship" rather than "the ship". The way that they filled each others' roles, on the basis that it was what they thought the other would do. Lovely!

I know there's a lot of love for TWOK. I love it too. But I really think the rose-coloured glasses are pretty firmly in place for most people. TWOK had just as many errors, plot holes, inconsistencies, ideas lifted from past Trek and dodgy acting as STID, if not more so. I mean, I always wondered why when Chekov and Terrell first discover the Botany Bay and Chekov tries to scamper out of the cargo carriers before they are discovered but meet Khan and his followers on the outside -- why didn't they just call the Reliant and say, "Two to beam up. Now!" Khan would have had no way to stop them, and no way to follow them. The answer is, because it suits the script that they don't. If Kurtzman and Orci had written that, we would never hear the end of it.

Isn't that the first thing you learn in Starfleet School, if a bad thing is about to happen to you planet side, beam the hell outta there!
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Old May 18 2013, 12:05 PM   #2858
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Sulu is a real captain in the making. If you read the comics too you will see that he has been written with the kind of moral backbone that NuKirk and the other crew lack. Even Spock is very inconsistent compared to Sulu.
I wonder if the scene with Sulu in the captain's chair was a shout out to his character becoming captain in TUC?
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Old May 18 2013, 12:07 PM   #2859
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No idea where else to put this, but I race in iRacing (an massive online motorsports simulator) and I just whipped up an Into Darkness paint scheme for my Street Stock ride.





I even customized the uniforms.


Although on second thought, maybe they should be redshirts...
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Old May 18 2013, 12:12 PM   #2860
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Sulu is a real captain in the making. If you read the comics too you will see that he has been written with the kind of moral backbone that NuKirk and the other crew lack. Even Spock is very inconsistent compared to Sulu.
I wonder if the scene with Sulu in the captain's chair was a shout out to his character becoming captain in TUC?
DEFINITELY.
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Old May 18 2013, 01:16 PM   #2861
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why not put him in prison for his past crimes?
What prison can hold 73 Eugenics supermen and women?
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Old May 18 2013, 01:30 PM   #2862
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why not put him in prison for his past crimes?
What prison can hold 73 Eugenics supermen and women?
They should strand Khan and his people on an uninhabited planet.
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why not put him in prison for his past crimes?
What prison can hold 73 Eugenics supermen and women?
They should strand Khan and his people on an uninhabited planet.
Send them to be reconditioned along with Garth.
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Old May 18 2013, 01:37 PM   #2864
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why not put him in prison for his past crimes?
What prison can hold 73 Eugenics supermen and women?
I bet the Ceti Alpha system would do, if Star Fleet would bother to monitor it a bit this time.
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Old May 18 2013, 01:40 PM   #2865
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why not put him in prison for his past crimes?
What prison can hold 73 Eugenics supermen and women?
I bet the Ceti Alpha system would do, if Star Fleet would bother to monitor it a bit this time.
Also make sure Khan has his Moby Dick novel with him.
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