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Old May 18 2013, 05:45 AM   #31
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

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The call to Old Spock was a clever storytelling choice, IMAO, because they turned a potentially flat expository sequence into a Moment.

I mean, it could have just been one of those droning conversation's with the ship's computer in which the gadget recited Khan's true life history and nature, thus alerting Spock to the danger he represented. That choice fulfills the plot requirement while adding nothing to the entertainment.
Yes, but with Dramatic music...it works in "Space Seed."
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Old May 18 2013, 08:51 AM   #32
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

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Pros: Another great trek film to remember

Cons: Whiners who create threads about how it isn't anything like a 50 minute episode of Neelix-Trek.
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How about fans who can't objectively analyze a film?
Please keep your posts about the movie and not about other vaguely defined groups of fans. Thanks.
I was responding to the other poster who was critical of me for "whining" about the film.
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Old May 18 2013, 11:55 AM   #33
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Liked: Everything not listed below.

Disliked: Carol Marcus (not Alice Eve, just the character. Waste of talent.)
The "one man" crew of the Vengeance. Couldn't accept it, sorry.
Magic Blood. Now everyone is immortal? Sigh...
The WTF foot chase of Khan. We ramped up by going from a starship engagement to a foot chase? Really?
The Klingon D-4.
The fact that I have to wait another four years for the next one. JJ, sir, I'm an original series first generation Trekkie. I'm no longer a spring chicken. Snap it up, Mr. Abrams, if you please.

Really, Really, REALLY liked:
Quinto. That man can plain damn act!
The new Warp Core. I liked the engine room in TOS, TMP, TNG etc, etc; didn't like the brewery, but absolutely loved this one!
Urban.
Pine.
Greenwood.

The battered but triumphant Enterprise rising from the clouds. Brought a lump to my throat and I may have had a speck of sentiment in my eye.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:44 PM   #34
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

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The battered but triumphant Enterprise rising from the clouds. Brought a lump to my throat and I may have had a speck of sentiment in my eye.
That moment gave me goosebumps!
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Old May 18 2013, 03:07 PM   #35
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Well, I may get pummeled for this, but I loved every minute of it. It was everything I've always wanted a Star Trek show/movie to be. Terrorism, sacrifice, death and vengeance? Plus the most bad-ass villain played impeccably by THE best British actor of generation? I wouldn't change a thing, really. I loved the character-building and relationship building that they spent most of the movie on. I loved how they cleverly twisted the story we knew to make something new. I cried audibly during the death scene, even though I already knew it was going to happen from accidental spoilers. And I love how they have made Spock more human and Kirk more humble while retaining their personalities. I would put this movie at the top of my ST movie list, just above TWOK, because I just felt more moved by this movie.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:35 PM   #36
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

DavidLeeRoth wrote: View Post
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Pros: Another great trek film to remember

Cons: Whiners who create threads about how it isn't anything like a 50 minute episode of Neelix-Trek.
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How about fans who can't objectively analyze a film?
Please keep your posts about the movie and not about other vaguely defined groups of fans. Thanks.
I was responding to the other poster who was critical of me for "whining" about the film.
So don't do that. The post really didn't merit a response, so the best course would be not to give it one - just skip on by.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:36 PM   #37
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

The only thing I disliked about the movie was it's need to stroke TWOK's ego, which was more than 5 minutes of the movie. It was like a half hour of the movie. Here I am loving the movie so far and really glad to be back in this new alternate universe where we get a fresh start on the franchise, and then here come all the Wrath of Khan references really just taking me out of everything. Other than that, I loved the movie.
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Old May 18 2013, 07:21 PM   #38
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

Likes:
Cinematography. Those scenes on Earth were utterly convincing.

The way Khan was used. I hoped and prayed Khan wasn't the villain in this film. I still wish they had come up with something more original, and to an extent, they did. Marcus was the enemy and Khan was his tool. That business with shooting drones (I'm sorry, torpedoes) at one citizen (I'm sorry, fugitive superman) without due process echoed troubling contemporary news. In your face, Mr. President! In the Star Trek universe, if you do this you are one of the bad guys, and Kirk and Spock will whoop your butt!

The actors. I didn't like Simon Pegg as Scotty in the last film, but he was great in this one. He was, like Scotty in the original series, the ordinary man with whom the audience can relate as Kirk and Spock do really insane things. Karl Urban again nailed McCoy ... the man has Kelly's Katra in a jar somewhere, I'm sure. Pine was great as Kirk ... he's adopted a bit of Shatner's swagger while bringing his own touches to the character. And Quinto ... was his voice a bit deeper this time? I'm perfectly happy with this guy being Spock for as long as Nimoy. Just ... give him some prosthetic earlobes.

The music. In 2009, Michael Giacchino delivered a soundtrack that struck my ears as a bit dull and repetitive. This time, there's a lot more variety to the music, with frequent callbacks to Alexander Courage. I'm looking forward to adding the new soundtrack to my collection.

The wardrobe. The costuming was gorgeous! I love the callbacks to the original series and Star Trek: The Motion Picture. I also like those jackets with the clear windows showing the color of the tunic underneath. The costume designer is a genius with a great eye for detail and design.

Dislikes:
The Enterprise tumbling in free fall while its crew is falling inside the ship. Any film-maker who has been paying attention to the biggest films of the last twenty-five years must have known how Apollo 13 was made. How the sets and actors were hauled up in NASA cargo planes that then performed a series of free-fall manuevers while the actors performed in weightlessness. Why then did everyone in the free-falling Enterprise ... fall? They should have floated. They were falling in the same gravitational field as the ship. This was the biggest gaff in the movie.

Empty space around the Earth and Moon. Isn't Earth the center of the United Federation of Planets? Why did no other starship assist when the Vengeance started pounding on the Enterprise while only 237,000 kilometers from the capital planet of one of the most powerful empires in the galaxy?

Engineering. Nope ... still a brewery. I liked the warp core scenes shot at the National Ignition Facility a bit better, but the hardware still looked too contemporary. This has been complained about since 2009, but no one is budging from their position.

Too much junk on the Bridge. Another complaint from 2009 is the way a perfectly beautiful interpretation of the Bridge has been ruined with too much clutter from the 21st century and too many lights.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:17 PM   #39
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I loved this film. I spent the last 3 months rewatching TOS with my boys and I found STID to be a logical progression AND a fun ride.

My sole complaint comes from the complete and utter lack of Earth's planetary defenses in the film. Two starships plummeting out of control through the atmosphere, and no one planetside seems to notice until just before Alcatraz gets deep sixed!? And what about two Federation vessels pummeling the crap out of each other miles above the lunar surface? Granted, I ultimately arrived at the conclusion that Marcus disabled the defense systems so no one could see what he was doing, but I have to assume that the Federation or some large Corporations had a presence on the moon and they could "see" what was going on?

But in the realm of complaints, this one is pretty minor...
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Old May 18 2013, 09:19 PM   #40
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Re: What did you like/dislike about Into Darkness (Spoilers)

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The call to Old Spock was a clever storytelling choice, IMAO, because they turned a potentially flat expository sequence into a Moment.

I mean, it could have just been one of those droning conversation's with the ship's computer in which the gadget recited Khan's true life history and nature, thus alerting Spock to the danger he represented. That choice fulfills the plot requirement while adding nothing to the entertainment.
Going to have to disagree here. You're saying that old Spock potentially replaced (a hypothetical scene of) a computer giving exposition but old Spock didn't actually give any exposition. He just said Khan was really, really dangerous, which has already been established quite well at this point in the film.

It wasn't a big deal and I enjoyed seeing Nimoy, but if it were up to me and the choice was an exposition scene and a Nimoy pop-in that didn't further the plot then I would choose neither.

Great movie though.
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Old May 18 2013, 11:34 PM   #41
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Regarding Nimoy's scene, I certainly hope Spock Prime's decision not to tell young Spock about his future doesn't include things like telling Starfleet about V'Ger and the Whale Probe. Oh, and the planet-killer might be important to mention, too.
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Old May 19 2013, 05:21 AM   #42
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The only thing that I didn't like about this movie is the fact that Dr. Mc Coy never took his shirt off. Not once.

How realistic is that?
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Old May 19 2013, 05:29 AM   #43
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Hey, the thing that McCoy does at the end. Isn't that... technically illegal in the Federation?
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Old May 19 2013, 05:43 AM   #44
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Hey, the thing that McCoy does at the end. Isn't that... technically illegal in the Federation?
Only if it's between consenting adults. I'm not sure what the Age of Consent is in the 23rd Century, though.
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Old May 19 2013, 06:01 AM   #45
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We have a real-life example of what the Enterprise was doing above Earth. In the 1960s, on the Gemini 8 mission, the manned spacecraft, after separating from an Agena test vehicle, began to spin out of control. Neil Armstrong managed to save the vehicle. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_8)

For me, besides the unrealistic warp core, I find it hard to believe that cracks would develop as shown on the bridge. However, I have to remind myself, that I am seeing a film directed by a guy who believes that science can get in the way of storytelling, so he attempts to keep the science out of the storytelling. (I was watching the documentaries on the first film, and, it's in one of those documentaries, that I learned his take on science.)

Also, on the specials for that first film, I learned that the Enterprise did have a separate subsystem for the impulse engines and that the ship had an aft torpedo launcher. (The launcher is located on the underside of the ship.) Why didn't the Enterprise use one, or both of these devices in the second film?
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