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Old May 17 2013, 08:35 PM   #211
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Re: IDW Star Trek Ongoing...

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Could the first few issues have occurred after the the events of STiD?
Plot-wise I think it's possible. The stardates are jacked up in them anyways...

I suspect (though I don't remember for sure) that you'd have to overlook Main Engineering changing back to its 2009 incarnation after the events of Into Darkness, though.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:13 PM   #212
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I suspect (though I don't remember for sure) that you'd have to overlook Main Engineering changing back to its 2009 incarnation after the events of Into Darkness, though.
They did use the same brewery for some of the Engineering scenes in STID. They just added location shooting at Livermore Labs for the actual warp core (as well as for a loading platform in the hangar bay, apparently).

Anyway, the comics are full of art-reference errors -- the wrong version of the Enterprise or the wrong phaser design or what-have-you -- so it's best not to take the visuals too literally. Which is a habit that fans of DC's first TOS series also had to learn, since its artists had a very idiosyncratic way of drawing the ship interiors.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:41 PM   #213
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They did use the same brewery for some of the Engineering scenes in STID. They just added location shooting at Livermore Labs for the actual warp core (as well as for a loading platform in the hangar bay, apparently).
True (the "communications vats" being one that stood out); I don't think we saw the area that had housed the warp cores (plural) in the last movie in STID, however.

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Anyway, the comics are full of art-reference errors -- the wrong version of the Enterprise or the wrong phaser design or what-have-you -- so it's best not to take the visuals too literally.
True. I keep trying to forget those, and succeeding.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:53 AM   #214
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Really? Not even in the "Where No Man" and "Galileo Seven" adaptations?
Eight or so died in the Gary Mitchell issues and they brought one corpse back with them in Galileo 7.

Could the first few issues have occurred after the the events of STiD?
Galileo 7 was referenced in Countdown to Darkness so that had to have happened before STID, and Scotty was complaining about the Enterprise's damage from the blackhole not being properly repaired at the start of the Where No Man Has Gone Before adaption.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:32 AM   #215
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The Trek Collective's article on upcoming IDW comics shows a suggested event timeline for the comics: 2256: #20 - Red Level Down

2257:
#18 - Uhura origins
#19 - Scotty origins

2258:
2009 movie
#15 and #16 - Mirrored
#1 and #2 - Where No Man Has Gone Before
#3 and #4 - The Galileo Seven
#5 and #6 - Operation: Annihilate
#7 and #8 - Vulcan's Vengeance
#9 and #10 - The Return of the Archons
#17 - McCoy origins
#13 - The Redshirt's Tale
#14 - Keenser origins

2259:
#11 and #12 - The Truth About Tribbles!
Countdown to Darkness
#21, #22, and #23 - After Darkness

So, no matter how you slice it, you can't reconcile some of the details of STiD with the comics. Nothing new.

What excites me is the fact that there will be a John Harrison mini-series later this year, and the Gorn will appear in the comic, which will hopeully bridge the gap to the video game.

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Old May 18 2013, 02:28 PM   #216
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The Trek Collective's article on upcoming IDW comics shows a suggested event timeline for the comics:
The "Tribbles" story has a 2259 stardate, but the one given is during Into Darkness, so it's rather obviously wrong. I think late 2258 (after the McCoy story, before The Redshirt's Tale) is probably better.

(#17 is the last comic with a stardate, taking place on 2258.247, with #10 being shortly beforehand on 2258.241. My assumption is that #11-14 plus Countdown to Darkness, not being flashbacks, all occur in order sometime after #10/#17 and before the video game on 2259.32.)

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What excites me is the fact that there will be a John Harrison mini-series later this year, and the Gorn will appear in the comic, which will hopeully bridge the gap to the video game.
Some details in the video game are hard to reconcile with Into Darkness itself. I wonder if (solicitation aside) they'll end up just ignoring the game entirely.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:17 PM   #217
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Really? Not even in the "Where No Man" and "Galileo Seven" adaptations?
Eight or so died in the Gary Mitchell issues and they brought one corpse back with them in Galileo 7.

Could the first few issues have occurred after the the events of STiD?

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Old May 18 2013, 03:23 PM   #218
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Old May 18 2013, 05:45 PM   #219
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The first two issues are hardest for me to reconcile, too. They may have to be removed from my personal continuity, which wouldn't be a horrible thing as they feel "off" style-wise and story-wise from the issues that follow anyway.
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Old May 18 2013, 11:39 PM   #220
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Well, I've seen the movie, and I noticed something.
Are we sure we heard what we thought we heard? The Alan Dean Foster novelization renders that scene as follows:

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Old May 19 2013, 12:56 AM   #221
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^As I said, they were talking over each other at that point, and that's hard to get across in prose. It's possible there was some improvisation or "additional dialogue" for Chris Pine so that he'd have something to say over Pike's line, and that might not have been reflected in the script Foster got.

Novelizations are almost never an exact reflection of the dialogue in the final film, because there can be subsequent rewrites, ad-libs, editing, looped dialogue, and the like which can change things from the script the novelizer worked from. So the actual film always takes precedence.
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Old May 19 2013, 02:34 AM   #222
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I'm going to try to pay more attention to that line the next time I watch the film. Only having watched it once, I didn't get the impression that Kirk said that no one had died under his command.
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Old May 19 2013, 02:40 AM   #223
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^Well, I'm not the only person who did catch that line:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=213421
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Old May 19 2013, 04:04 AM   #224
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I heard it, as well. It was a quick assertion, though ("Not one!"), so it would have been very easy to miss.
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Old May 19 2013, 04:23 AM   #225
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^And since Pike and Kirk were talking over each other, it wasn't easy to follow both speeches at once. I caught the beginning and end of Kirk's line, but missed the middle and had to interpolate.
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