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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 139 19.39%
A 157 21.90%
A- 98 13.67%
B+ 77 10.74%
B 58 8.09%
B- 27 3.77%
C+ 38 5.30%
C 37 5.16%
C- 23 3.21%
D+ 11 1.53%
D 13 1.81%
D- 6 0.84%
F 33 4.60%
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Old May 18 2013, 03:12 AM   #2731
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Well, since Enterprise is the only series still existing in this universe I would go with what was established on that show about Section 31 unless it was directly contradicted on screen. Section 31 actually predates the Federation.

ETA: Damn, you're all too fast for me.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:12 AM   #2732
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Section 31 is around right now.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:13 AM   #2733
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Shh!!! You'll blow our cov…oops. I've said too much already.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:15 AM   #2734
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LOL ^^^^
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Old May 18 2013, 03:19 AM   #2735
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

did anyone find it a little ironic that when Kirk's five year mission ends it will be around the same time in the "Prime" reality, Kirk started his?
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Old May 18 2013, 03:23 AM   #2736
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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did anyone find it a little ironic that when Kirk's five year mission ends it will be around the same time in the "Prime" reality, Kirk started his?
Ironic? No. It wouldn't be irony. It is a nice little tidbit of trivia, though.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:30 AM   #2737
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did anyone find it a little ironic that when Kirk's five year mission ends it will be around the same time in the "Prime" reality, Kirk started his?
Ironic? No. It wouldn't be irony. It is a nice little tidbit of trivia, though.
yeah it just kinda came to me.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:40 AM   #2738
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

I saw Star Trek Into Darkness. I thought the 2009 film was better.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:44 AM   #2739
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i was just online and apparently there is going to a 4-part prequel comic coming out detailing the life of one John Harrison, who we know to be one Khan Noonien Singh. so all those questions you fine folks have been asking will finally be answered. you can read more at:

http://www.thetrekcollective.com/201...ss-august.html
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Old May 18 2013, 03:57 AM   #2740
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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There's a lot of the voice over in the trailers that doesn't appear in the movie. Either they trimmed a scene or two, or the dialogue was written for the trailer.

Certainly Pike's dialogue in the trailers isn't lifted from his scenes - the gist is the same, but different wording and attitude.
Just saw the movie. I had the impression that a scene or two was deleted from early in the movie.
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Old May 18 2013, 04:02 AM   #2741
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teacake wrote: View Post
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granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.
Hopefully, this incident brings them out of the shadows and Starfleet disbands them when people find out they exist.
I expect a very public disbanding may a part of Section 31's plans. Marcus is far too easy with throwing around Section 31's name, even if he did think those he told were never coming back. How does he know they didn't send off an email about it prior to their planned deaths?

But if it disbands there will be speeches full of Roddenberry ideals about not losing what makes us human as we try and preserve humanity blah blah and everyone will pat themselves on the back and Section 31 will continue, more covert than ever.
^This is brilliant.

To layer the conspiracy even further one could picture a Section 31 that saw Marcus getting a little too power hungry and decided to cut Khan loose to expose him and have the problem take care of itself.

If a war with the Klingons ensued as a result of the chaos, then that's what they wanted all along anyway.
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Old May 18 2013, 04:02 AM   #2742
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Admiral Buzzkill wrote: View Post
There's a lot of the voice over in the trailers that doesn't appear in the movie. Either they trimmed a scene or two, or the dialogue was written for the trailer.

Certainly Pike's dialogue in the trailers isn't lifted from his scenes - the gist is the same, but different wording and attitude.
Just saw the movie. I had the impression that a scene or two was deleted from early in the movie.
im going to snatch the novel on tuesday. see what was missing from the movie.
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Old May 18 2013, 04:11 AM   #2743
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I'm wondering about the motives of Section 31 and how it relates to the third film. On reflection it seems that the Klingons would be the obvious choice of villians in the next film. They have every justification to declare war on the Federation given that Starfleet agents violated their space, landed on their homeworld, murdered dozens of their men and destroyed 3 ships.

Could you imagine if a Klingon raiding party just beamed down to Australia and killed a bunch of people in retaliation and just left?

Kirk's actions in this movie alone seems like provocation enough for the Klingons.
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Old May 18 2013, 04:14 AM   #2744
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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I'm wondering about the motives of Section 31 and how it relates to the third film. On reflection it seems that the Klingons would be the obvious choice of villians in the next film. They have every justification to declare war on the Federation given that Starfleet agents violated their space, landed on their homeworld, murdered dozens of their men and destroyed 3 ships.

Could you imagine if a Klingon raiding party just beamed down to Australia and killed a bunch of people in retaliation and just left?
Starting a war because a bunch of people died as a result of a raiding party that was not sanctioned by their own government seems like overkill. But of course that's what we do.
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Old May 18 2013, 04:16 AM   #2745
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Tai wrote: View Post
I'm wondering about the motives of Section 31 and how it relates to the third film. On reflection it seems that the Klingons would be the obvious choice of villians in the next film. They have every justification to declare war on the Federation given that Starfleet agents violated their space, landed on their homeworld, murdered dozens of their men and destroyed 3 ships.

Could you imagine if a Klingon raiding party just beamed down to Australia and killed a bunch of people in retaliation and just left?

Kirk's actions in this movie alone seems like provocation enough for the Klingons.
I think it depends on who the people are. A lot more was done in the lead-up to the Dominion War before formal declarations were announced. I think because it's the Klingons and they look for an excuse to go to war, that it is most likely this incident will lead to war. I think that's the set-up for the next film, especially with people connected to this film saying they want "someone to do the Klingons."
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